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Bego of Paris, Marquis de Septimanie, Comte de Paris

Also Known As: "Beggue", "Begue", "Bego", "Begon", "Beggo", "Beggon", "Biego", "Picco", "Bego I de Flavigny", ""Beggo", "Bego"", "aka Comte de Paris"
Birthdate: (66)
Birthplace: Paris, Seine, France
Death: Died in Paris,Seine,,France
Place of Burial: Paris, Seine, Ile de France, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Unknown father of Bego and Unknown mother of Bego
Husband of Prinses Alpaïs de Paris, Abbesse de St-Pierre de Reims and Withburgis
Father of Eberhard I de Paris, comte de Logenahe; Susanna and Leuthard II, count of Paris

Occupation: chamberlain of Louis of Aquitaine; Count of Toulouse, Duke of Septimania, Duke of Aquitaine, and Margrave of the Hispanic March, Count of Paris, (Beggo Bego Beggen); chamberlain of Louis of Aquitaine; Count of Toulouse, ABT 0770 - 28 OCT 0816
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About Bego of Paris, Marquis de Septimanie, Comte de Paris

BEGO (-28 Oct 816).

Depoin suggests that Bego was the son of Gérard Comte de Paris[109]. See Discussion He appears to assume this on the basis of the hereditary nature of the county of Paris, although it is far from clear that Carolingian counties in France at the time were routinely transmitted to family members by inheritance. Comte. King Charles I authorised “comes...Bego” to dispose of property at Bry [sur-Marne] by charter dated 23 Apr 789, reference to which exists only in a copy made by Baluze[110]. [Marquis de Septimanie]: Bego governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania from 806. “Bigo...comes” donated property to “presbitero...Crisogonio” at the monastery of Alaon by charter dated to [806/14][111]. He was chambrier, equivalent to viceroy, for Louis King of Aquitaine (son of Emperor Charlemagne)[112]. Comte de Paris [815], succeeding comte Stephanus. He founded the abbey of Saint-Maur-des-Fossés near Paris. Emperor Louis I granted immunities to Saint-Maur-des-Fossés at the request of “Bego fidelius noster” and “Begoni...comitis” by two charters dated 20 Jun 816[113]. The Annales Hildesheimenses record the death of "Bicgo de amici regis" in 815 (which date must be incorrect)[114]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "V Kal Nov" of "Begoni comitis"[115].

[m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]

m [secondly] ([806]) ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---] ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[116]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[117]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[118]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816.

[Sharon’s Note: Not really – it makes her 23yrs old when he dies. Charlemagne’s wife Hildegard had had 9 children by the time she died at 23 or 24yrs] 

However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.

Bego & his [second] wife had three children:


a) LIUTHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[119].

b) EBERHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[120].

c) SUSANNA ([805/10]-). The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not yet been identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[121]. m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---.


http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc169575355


The Problem of Count Begue & his 3 possible wives

Discussion

Count Begue/Beggo/ Begon has 2 (or 3) equally likely wives according to original sources – but only one set of descendents (Luithard, Eberhard, Susanna):

Either his wife (and mother of these 3 kids) was Charlemagne’s daughter:

1) Alpaida (by Adaltrude) Sources below, or

2) Amaudra (by Himiltrude) - less convincingly sourced than the other two, at the moment -Reference to her mother on Die Genealogie der Franken und Frankreichs, noted by Wikipedia, says she later married a Count of Paris.

or she was Charlemagne’s granddaughter:

3) Alpais (through his son, Louis I) Sources Below

Sources: From Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database

BEGO ([755/60]-28 Oct 816).

m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]

m [secondly] ([806]) ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---] ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[67]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[68]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[69]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816.

[Sharon’s Note: Not really – it makes her 23yrs old when he dies. Charlemagne’s wife Hildegard had had 9 children by the time she died at 23 or 24yrs]

However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.

Bego & his [second] wife had three children: i) LIUTHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[70]. ii) EBERHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[71]. iii) SUSANNA ([805/10]-). The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not so far been identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[72]. m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---.

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Beggan (Bego) Count of Paris1,2

b. between 755 and 760, d. 28 October 816, #29459

Father Girard Count of Paris3 b. before 745, d. circa 755

Mother Rotrude of Austrasia3 b. circa 734

Family 1 Williburga d. before 789

Child 1. Engeltrude or Engeltron+ b. c 78212

Family 2 Alpais b. circa 790, d. 29 May 852

Children 1. Count Eberhard of Paris+ b. c 800, d. b 83217

	2.	Susanna+ b. b 81618
	3.	Landrée de Paris+ b. c 8164

Children of this marriage are often given as: Eberhard, Leuthard, Engeltron (F) and Suzanna.

The main difference from Werner's reconstruction is that

Hlawitschka has Susanna as the child of Bego by a first marriage and not by Alpais. That Bego had such a marriage is highly likely since he was 45/50 by the time of his marriage with Alpais. It is also certain that Susanna was Bego's daughter. If Susanna had been the daughter of Alpais then the marriage of Susanna's granddaughter, Adelheid, to Louis the Stammerer would have been within the prohibited degrees (4:2 through Louis the Pious).



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Bégon de Paris

Bégon de Paris (v. 755/760-28 octobre 816) comte de Paris, comte de Toulouse et marquis de Septimanie (Maison des Girardides).

Biographie[modifier]

Bégon[1] est le fils du comte Gérard Ier de Paris. Il a pour frères les comtes Étienne de Paris (v.754 - † 811/815) et Leuthard Ier de Paris († vers 813).

Vers 806, il épouse Alpaïs[2](793/794 - † 23 juillet 852 ou après), laquelle est soit une fille de l'empereur Louis le Pieux soit une fille illégitime de Charlemagne. Il a les enfants suivants :

Le futur comte Leuthard II de Paris Eberhard probablement Landrade, qui épouse le comte Donat Ier de Melun (v.790 - † ap.858/av.871)[3], et ont comme enfants[4] : Gosselin (ou Gozlin), comte de Bassigny ; Gontier ; Hugues ; Waltrude ; Robert, évêque du Mans ; Boson ; Suzanne qui épouse le comte Vulfard de Flavigny avec lequel elle a pour enfants : Le futur archevêque Vulfard de Bourges (liste des archevêques de Bourges) Le futur comte Vulgrin Ier d'Angoulême Le futur comte Adalhard de Paris (vers 830 - † ap. 890), père d'Adélaïde de Frioul, reine de France par mariage avec le roi Louis II de France. Hilduin, abbé de l'abbaye de Saint-Denis Ymo ou Immo Hildeburge Il est nommé chambrier du roi Louis d'Aquitaine (et futur empereur d'Occident 814-840, fils de Charlemagne).

À partir de 806, il devient comte de Toulouse et marquis de Septimanie dont il contrôle la marche en remplacement de Guillaume de Gellone.

En 815, il succède à son frère Étienne de Paris au titre de comte de Paris et contribue à la prospérité de l'abbaye Saint-Pierre-du-Fossé.

Il meurt le 28 octobre 816. Son frère Leuthard Ier de Paris lui succède comme comte de Paris.

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Paris, Seine, France
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Paris, France
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Age 66
Paris,Seine,,France
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June 27, 1938
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