Weldelphus, King of the Thüringians (Fictitious Person)

Ben M. Angel notes: To save others from further embarrassment:

http://www.duerinck.com/turingii.htm

However, Justin Swanström cautions: The ethnogenesis of the Turingi has been studied for a generation and is relatively well understood. However, academics now recognize that the issues raised by specific accounts about the tribe's ruling families are a separate but related problem and require further study. It is premature to label as "fictitious" any figure from this period. The origin and development of the genealogy itself must first be understood. If that study shows the genealogy is something more than a modern fake, the sources must be examined to determine whether the genealogy is, for example, a Carolingian forgery, a re-working of an oral tradition, or something else. On a cursory examination, I found that Weldelphus, father of Basina, was already appearing in genealogical literature in 1841 (George Russell French, The ancestry of Her Majesty Queen Victoria:and of His Royal Highness Prince Albert, 281, available at http://tinyurl.com/4k32757). The "invention" of Weldelphus must therefore pre-date 1841.

KINGS AND RULERS

Introduction: As usual, to figure out the kings and rulers of the Turingii tribe, we must look to whatever sources are available. As you know, there are not that many sources to examine for the Turingii tribe.

Beware, that there are many sources on the internet that are incorrect. They might mention Hoger and Erpes, Wedelphus, and Meerwig (Merovech) as Thuringian rulers, which is nonsense.

The book by St. Gregory of Tours, "The History of the Franks", which should not be taken as prime authority, does mention the Thuringians a bit. In the "Letters of St. Boniface", a man who actually worked in the region as a missionary, we see a lack of information regarding the Turingii, unfortunately. Of course St. Boniface was working in a time when the Turingii were officially subjugated to the Franks. I am reading a slew of other books as well.

At this time I would like to mention one book, "Das Thüringer Königreich" by Rüdiger Gebser (2001), which appears to repeat the mistakes of Gustav Kosinna of the 19th century, and even goes one better, subjecting the reader to pure fantasy.

Be aware that Wedelphus and rulers before him are not historically correct. Of course, the farther we go back in time, we run into the paucity of records as well as the constant movement of individual tribes and the formation of federations of tribes.

Errors: Compare Carney and James both of which have errors re Basina and undoubtedly other personages. See also Bisin I, II where it is alleged that Bisin I was born in 450 AD, not 390 AD. Sounds like Bisin I and Bisin II are being confused.

Also, Bisin I (Basinus) had 3 sons. Which Basina is which? The names Banin, Bisin, Basin, Basinus, Bisinus are used interchangeably. You will see all 3 names used in books and on the internet. St. Gregory of Tours used Bisin. If you have any additions, corrections, let me know.

Before Banin, Bisin, Basin, Basinus, Bisinus: It is impossible to talk about Thuringian rulers before the reign of Banin I (also known as Bisin, Basin, Basinus, Bisinus). Some talk about Wedelphus, some mention Hoger and Erpes.

Here are the Thuringian Rulers (Turingii Tribe):

[Note before we begin: not sure what to do about Basina of Thuringia, born 398 AD. Gregory of Tours says that she married Clodio, Frankish King, parents of Merovech. [Source: St. Gregory of Tours, Historiae Francorum]. Was she the sister of Banin I? There is no source which gives her or Banin I's father.

--Banin I (Bisin, Bisinus, Basinus) born circa 390 AD, married Menia. Children:

1. Basina Andovera of Thuringia (born ? who married?)

2. Berthar (King) of Thuringia

3. Banin II (Bisin, Bisinus, Basinus) King of Thuringia.

--Banin II (Bisin, Bisinus, Basinus) married Basina (of Saxony? b. 438???) [who later married with Frankish King Childeric (b.436, d.481 AD) and brought forth Clovis]. Children:

1. Berthar married ___. At least 2 children:

a. Radegund born ~520 AD, died 13 August 587 AD, married 537 AD at Vitry (Artois) to Frankish King Lothar I (=Chlotar I), no issue, founds a convent.

b. Berthacar (Berthar)

2. Baderic, murdered circa 550 AD by his sister Radegund's husband Frankish King Lothar I (Clotar I).

3. Hermanfrid (died 534 AD per Schutz), married Ostrogothic Princess Amalaberg, niece of Ostrogoth King Theoderic. Children:

a. Amalafred (Hamalafred)

b. Rodelinda [mentioned in "A History of the Ostrogoths" by Thomas Burns (1991), page 96, who married Audoin, King of the Lombards.]

[Source: Gregory of Tours].

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Bron: http://www.genealogieonline.nl/kwartierstaat-van-der-stelt-verberg/...

Persoonlijke gegevens Wedelphus van Thuringen ♂

Geboren in 380. Overleden. Gezin Wedelphus van Thuringen

Getrouwd met (Niet openbaar). Onbekende relatie. Kind(eren): Chlodwig van Keulen

father:

• Wedelphus of Thuringia born Bef 0360 Thuringia, Germany

http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I152809&tree...

http://www.duerinck.com/turingii.html

Weldelphus, konge av Thüringen f fra ca 380 til 408

Wedelphus, ble født rundt 360. Navnet Wedelphus som betyr "høvdingen av Vibilius" (Walker) En med samme navn hadde 300 år tidligere stor innflytelse på hermundurere.

Han hadde barna Basina, Banin ( som feilaktig også ble kalt ClovisI ) og Merwig II

http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p575.h...

http://www.heimatverein-niederzimmern.de/Niederzimmern/Historisches...