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Cleaning the lineages between FRANCUS and CHARLEMAGNE

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  • Francio, King of the Cimmerians (c.-1220 - c.-1030)
    Francus was the eponymous ancestor and legendary hero of the Franks. He seems to have been an invention of Merovingian historians. Gregory of Tours, a 6th century Gallo-Roman historian wrote that nothi...
  • King Esdron of Troy (c.-1137 - c.-1000)
    born: -1137, -1190, -1135, -1100Event(s)Birth: abt 1110 BC OF SIMMERIA, BLACK SEA REGION, TROYA, ANCIENT TURKEYDeath: BC OF SIMMERIA, BLACK SEA REGION, TROYA, ANCIENT TURKEY Poss. HM George I s 83-olde...
  • Athildis verch Coilus (Fictitious Person) (c.105 - 170)
    Athildiis of Britain seems to be mythological -- invented to give the Frankish kings a descent from the Caesars. born 115 or 125 Possible dismabigousVer1: 125-170Ver2: 105-140 Athildis' brother is King...
  • Ymbergide / Imberitrude (c.372 - 404)
  • Rotrou of Austrasia (c.745 - 772)
    Rotrude (Rotrou) d´ Austrasia / Rotrude of Austrasia * : Carloman Mayor of Austrasia2,3 b. circa 715, d. 17 August 754* Mother : Daughter of Alard3 b. circa 715* Marriage : Rotrude of Austrasia ma...

Cleaning the lineages between FRANCUS and CHARLEMAGNE

Because of the many duplicates it is necessary to merge all these duplicates. It is often inevitable that the profiles of the same persons with false spouses and / or wrong parents are combined. The incorrect parents and/or spouses have to be removed in second instance. The cleaning has as aspects: a.o. merging and correcting/repairing relations.

FRANCUS should be the eldest ancestor of the Franks and the French kings, but a reliable and/or provable source of ancestors never has been found.

PHARAMOND is also doubtfull, it is generally accepted that he never existed. Many lineages before CHARLEMAGNE are very doubtfull and unreliable !

Sigobert the Lame has no generally accepted parents and he is not the only one.

On Geni however are creative spirits who phantasize themselves parents !

Naming Conventions

FROM: Medieval Kingdoms of Western Europe

Medieval Naming Conventions

First Name

: Given name (birth or baptism) in their respective language, followed by their ordinal, if applicable. Example: Arnaut I.

Middle Name:

Middle names are rare in the medieval period; if the person had two names, they usually used both in combination. Example: Pèire Bernat. The more common use of this field for medieval profiles is for sobriquets, or nicknames, enclosed in single quotes, double quotes or guillemets, depending on the language. Example: the Great.

=== Last Name:===

Obviously, people did not have surnames in this period (at least as we use them today). If they did have a surname, it was usually either toponymic or patronymic. This was case for both men and women as wives did not take the name of her husband. Occasionally this name became the name of a royal house which was passed down to their descendants. Please use proper case for this and all other fields.


Toponymic names, or noms de terre, are place-based names that generally reflected a noble family's lands or estates over which they had sovereignty or a person’s place of birth. Example: de Clermont.


Patronymic names are based on the personal name of one's father. Example: Haraldsen. In the case that both patronymic and toponymic names exist, place the patronymic name first, followed by the toponymic. Example: Remíriz d'Aragón or FitzGilbert de Clare.


The suffix field should be used for titles. In many cases, a person will have multiple titles. For simplicity and legibility, use the titles of most importance and place other titles in the Occupation field. If a woman holds a title in suo jure, or by her own right of inheritance, please include this title in the suffix field. Example: Comte d'Urgell or Heiress of Belvoir.

===Maiden Name:===

In most cases, this field should be left blank, since, as mentioned above, women did not take the name of their husband in this period. Alternatively, it may be used to provide an alternate to or significant variation of the surname for both men and women if one feels it warranted.

===Display Name:===

This field should be used as a more concise reiteration of the full name, often omitting redundant toponymic surnames. Example: Ponç I, Comte d'Empúries. When the person gains his or her highest importance in a foreign kingdom, either by marriage or conquest, one might use the display name field for the person's name in a language other than their own, especially in contested regions. Example: Esteveta de Fois, Reina de Navarra versus Estefanía de Foix, Reina de Navarra. In this example, Estefanía de Foix would also be placed in the Nickname field. This provides more opportunities for searchers to find the person by name. Occasionally, a person is commonly known by their sobriquet, or nickname. In those cases, place this name after the given name while omitting any quotes or guillemets. Example: Richard the Lionheart, King of England. When a name is in a dialectal or archaic form, this field may be also used to provide an alternative in a major language.

=== Nickname=== : All name variants and additional nicknames should be placed in the Nickname field. Please note that this field is searched and displayed in Geni search results.

Francus (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Francus, the invention of Merovingian scholars, is a legendary eponymous king of the Franks, a descendant of the Trojans, founder of the Merovingian dynasty and forefather of Charlemagne. In the Renaissance, Francus was generally considered to be another name for the Trojan Astyanax (son of Hector) saved from the destruction of Troy. He is not considered to be historical, but in fact an attempt by medieval and Renaissance chroniclers to model the founding of France upon the same illustrious tradition as that used by Virgil in his Aeneid (which had Rome founded by the Trojan Aeneas).[1]

The 7th century Chronicle of Fredegar contains the oldest mention of a medieval legend thus linking the Franks to the Trojans.[2] The Carolingian Liber historiae Francorum elaborates new details,[3] and the tradition continued to be elaborated throughout the Middle Ages, when it was taken seriously as genealogy and became a "veritable form of ethnic consciousness".[4]

The 8th century Nennius' Historia Brittonum makes mention of Francus as one of the four sons of Hisicion (Francus, Romanus, Alamanus, and Brutus), grandsons of Alanus, the first man to live in Europe.[5]

The Grandes Chroniques de France (13th - 15th centuries), a vast compilation of historic material, make reference of the Trojan origins of the French dynasty.[6]

Johannes Trithemius' De origine gentis Francorum compendium (1514) describes the Franks as originally Trojans (called "Sicambers" or "Sicambrians") after the fall of Troy who came into Gaul after being forced out of the area around the mouth of the Danube by the Goths in 439 B.C. (section 1, p, 33). He also details the reigns of each of these kings—including Francus (section 43, p. 76) from whom the Franks are named—and their battles with the Gauls, Goths, Saxons, etc.[7]

Annio da Viterbo also describes the arrival of Trojans into Gaul.[8]

Based on the medieval legend, Jean Lemaire de Belges's Illustrations de Gaule et Singularités de Troie (1510–12) has Astyanax survive the fall of Troy and arrive in Western Europe. He changes his name to Francus and becomes king of Celtic Gaul (while, at the same time, Bavo, cousin of Priam, comes to the city of Trier) and founds the dynasty leading to Pepin and Charlemagne.[9] He is said to have founded and named the city of Paris in honor of his uncle Paris.

Gilles Corrozet's La Fleur des antiquitez... de Paris (1532) describes Francis I as the 64th descendant of Hector of Troy.[10]

Lemaire de Belges' work inspired Pierre de Ronsard's epic poem La Franciade (1572). In this poem, Jupiter saves Astyanax (renamed Francus). The young hero arrives in Crete and falls in love with the princess Hyanthe with whom he is destined to found the royal dynasty of France.
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In the tradition of translatio imperii, many medieval authors established Greek or Roman genealogies for European dynasties:

   Brutus of Troy - the legendary founder of Britain
   Benoît de Saint-Maure, in his Chronique des ducs de Normandie, linked the Plantagenet family to Aeneas.[11]

=some Lineages from FRANCUS, descending direction to CHARLEMAGNE.=

Clodius II der West-Franken /-31

Marcomir der West-Franken /-14

Clodomir I der West-Franken ca 3-

Antenor III der West-Franken ca 25-ca 69

Ratherius der FRANKEN 42/-/90

Richemer der FRANKEN 59/-114

Odomir der FRANKEN 76/-ca 128

Marcomir IV der FRANKEN 91/-149

Clodomir IV der FRANKEN 107/-166

  • Farabert der FRANKEN ca 122-186

Sunno der FRANKEN ca 137-213

Hilderic der FRANKEN 154/-253

Bartherus der FRANKEN 171/-272

Clodius III der FRANKEN 188/-298

Walter der FRANKEN 205/-306

Dagobert I der FRANKEN ca 230-317

Genebald I der FRANKEN ca 262-358

Dagobert II der FRANKEN ca 300-379

Clodius I der FRANKEN ca 324-389

Marcomir der FRANKEN ca 347-404

[ Pharamond (Faramund) (c. 370 - c. 427)] 
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[ Chlodio, ook wel bekend als Clodio, Cloio, Chlogio of Chlodian VI (? - ca. 448)] Clodio V der FRANKEN ca 395-447/449


Childerik I (ca. 436- 26 december 481 of 482)

Chlodovech (Frans Clovis, de naam heeft dezelfde herkomst als Lodewijk) (Doornik, 465 - Parijs, 27 november? 511)

Clodebaud roi des Francs (rhénans ?)

Wikipedia: Sigobert the Lame

Wikipedia:Chloderik the Parricle

Munderic der FRANKEN /490 Wikipedia x Arthemia Ancestors of Arthemia

Mummolin (Nomble) der FRANKEN /548

Boggis II der FRANKEN /565

Arnulf van Metz 582-640

Ansegisel der Franken 607/610-662/685

Pepijn II van Herstal ca 635-714

Karel Martel 686/689-741

Pepijn III der Franken 714-768

CHARLEMAGNE Patricius Romanorum 742-814