Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum

EDMUND HAY OF TALLA AND LINPLUM

Bogus Genealogy

One pedigree published by rootsweb claims that Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum, here treated, is the father of Peter Hay of Meginch Kidder and Winchcomb Family Tree This is wrong. Peter Hay of Meginch is in fact the son of Edmund Hay of Leys, elder, whi is not the same person as Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum.

The Question of Identity

Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum, here treated, is the son, probably the fourth son of William Hay of Lochorwart and Yester and his wife Alice de la Haye The Scots Peerage VIII: 425-6 On 12 July 1435 he is noticed as the brother of Sir David Hay of Lochorwart & Yester in a charter issued by him. Yester Writs: number 66

Death

Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum. here treated, died before 26 November 1465. Yester Writs: number 128

Evidence from Yester Writs

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12 July 1435: Charter by David de Haya of Yhesterand Hoprew to his kinsman John de Geddesse son of um. Andrew de G. of 10 bovates, the half of a coteland, and the sixth of the mill in the town and lordship of Thankartoun, reserving to the granter etc. the place called John Gray's garden in order to render service due and wont to the king, which lands belonged to um. John de Geddesse of Rauchane and were resigned by him : to be held by the sd. J. de G. and the heirs male of his body whom failing ; Geo. de G. his brother german etc., whom failing the lawful heirs of sd. John, of the granter and his heirs lords of Hoprew for payment of a penny in name of blanche firme : Castle of Peblis 12 July 1435 : Witnesses, Edmund de Haya of Thalow, the granter's brother german ; Walter de Twedy lord of Drummelyhore ; Bernaba de Vach lord of Dawyke ; Gilbert de Haya of Meynyhene; and Thos. Fressele of Frude. Yester Writs: number 66

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26 November 1465: Charter by William Hay, Knight, son and heir of the late Edmund Hay of Thallow, to the altar of St. Edmund situated in the Collegiate Kirk of Bothanis, and Sir Robert Morhame chaplain of the said altar and his successors, of the Milnelands of Duncanelaw, lying on the north part of the Water of Zester opposite 'le Bothanis' within the barony of Duncanelaw, and an annual-rent of 26 shillings 8 pence scots, furth of the lands of Wyndene lying in the said barony, constabulary of Haddington and shire of Edinburgh and failing the lands of Wyndene, the said annual rent to be taken furth of the lands of Lynplum — in pure and perpetual alms. At Hadington 26th November 1465. Witnesses, Sir John Cokburn, vicar of Caldorcler, John Zong rector of Morhame, James Lempatlaw vicar of Makcarstoun, James Ballynyal, chaplain, Robert Grenlaw and .Alexander Clerk, notary public, burgesses of Hadingtoun. Yester Writs: number 128

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2 April 1467: Instrument of Assedation by Dame Annabella Boyd relict of Edmund of Hay of Thallow with consent of Patrick of Dunbar Lord of Bele then her spouse, to Sir Robert Morhame chaplain of the altar of St. Edmund, the King and martyr, situated in the Collegiate Church of Bothanis, and his successors of the terce of a "terre cotarie templarie" lying in the town of Duncanelaw, and the third part of the mylnlands, lying in the territory of Duncanelaw, belonging to her terce by the decease of the said Edmund Hay her husband, Which lands etc., William Hay, Knight, her son, gave to the said altar in augmentation of the infeftment by the said late Edmund Hay ; in pure and perpetual alms : Dated 2nd April 1467, in the Cloister of the Friars Minor of Haddington, 3 p.m. : Witnesses, Sir John of Swyntoun of that Ilk, Knight, Sir William Hay, Knight, Edmund of Hay his brother, William Home of Rauchburn, Robert of Grenlaw, John Geddes and James Colylaw : Alexander Clerk is notary. Yester Writs: number 134

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25 November 1468: Paper Letter of Warrandice by Sir Wm. Hay of Tallo knt. of his resignation to John the Hay son and heir of Sir D. Hay of Zestir of 2 and one half marks annualrent from Westir Hoprew, see No. 150, and in especial that J. H. should not be vexit by Annabell Bold "my moder " now the spous of Patric Dunbar of Bele nor by the said Patrick for her third or terce of said annualrent the granter's lands of Tallo and Kingildurris becoming liable for the amount: Edinburgh, 25 Nov. 1469: no witnesses. Yester Writs: number 151

Printed Evidence

Calendar of Writs Preserved at Yester House, 1166-1625. Compiled by Charles C. H. Harvey and John Macleod (Printed for the Scottish Record Society by J. Skinner & Company, Ltd., Edinburgh, 1910), 437 pp. including indexes

Genealogy

The Scots Peerage VIII: 425-6

Biographical Summary by rootsweb

Edmund HAY [Parents] was born 1409 in Yester, East Lothian, Scotland. He died 4 1463 in Tallow, Peebles-shire, Scotland. Edmund married Annabella BOYD on 1439 in Tallow, Peebles-shire, Scotland. Annabella BOYD [Parents] was born 1421 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland. She married Edmund HAY on 1439 in Tallow, Peebles-shire, Scotland. Other marriages: DUNBAR, Patrick. They had the following children: 1. Sir William HAY Knight was born 1440 in Tallow, Peebles-shire, Scotland. 2. Edmund HAY was born 1442 in Tallow, Peebles-shire, Scotland. He died after 18 Jun 1472. Peter HAY Lord of Megginch was born 1445 and died Nov 1496. rootsweb: Kidder and Winchcomb Family Tree

Critical Commentary: (1) The birth dates and places claimed here are not supported by verifiable evidence. (2) Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum is not the father of Peter Hay of Megginch.