Frances Austin

Not a known daughter of Thomas Tilden & Ellen Hubbarde Tilden

Parents unknown. Frances married 1) John Hill of Dorchester; 12 children. Probably married 2) Jonas Austin of Taunton.

Common Errors to Avoid

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LNAB error: The maiden name of Frances is sometimes said to be Tileston or Tildon. This is unproven and there is no direct evidence to support this. There was a relationship between John Hill and the Tileston family. His will refers to his loving friend Thomas Tileston. She could not be a daughter of Nathaniel Tilden as is sometimes given. The family of Nathaniel Tilden is well-documented by English wills and baptisms. [8] He did not have a daughter Frances, and wills show there were no other undocumented daughters. She could not be a daughter of Thomas Tileston as he was born c1610.

2nd Marriage confusion: J. Gardner Bartlett in his article gives John Hill 13 children, including a daughter Frances.[5] He states the daughter married Jonas Austin in 1667 and died without children in 1676. This is incorrect. It was John Hill's widow Frances who remarried to Jonas Austin.[9][10] Evidence to support this includes the fact that Jonas Austin born in 1598 and was too old to have married a daughter of John Hill. John Hill's will indicates he had at most 12 children and not 13. There is no evidence of a daughter Frances.

CHILDREN

1. John Hill b. 1630, England
2. Frances Hill b. 1632
3. Rebecca Gray (Hill) b. 1634
4. Mary Breck (Hill) b. 1636
5. Samuel Hill b. 1638
6. Jonathan Hill b. 1640
7. Hannah Fisher (Hill) b. 1641
8. Mercy Willis (Hill) b. 1642
9. Ruth Willis (Hill) b. 1644-1736
10. Ebenezer Hill b. 1645-1696
11. Israel Hill b. -1677
12. Martha Hill b.1648
13. Mehitable HIll b. 1650-1679

Source: John Hill of Dorchester, Mass., and his descendants by Bartlett, J. Gardner 1904 Page 4.

"...dismissed to the church at Taunton June 28, 1674; married as his second wife, Dec. 1667 Jonas Austin, Sr. of Taunton, who d. there July 30 1683. She d. in Dorchester Nov. 18, 1676. No children."

Jonas Austin married (2) in Taunton MA, 14 December 1667, Frances (_____) Hill, widow of John Hill of Dorchester. On 28 June 1674, "Francis Hill that was, but now Francis Asten, was dismissed [from the church at Dorchester] to join the church at Tanton." She died at Dorchester on 18 November 1676.

No recorded children of this marriage.

Biography

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Born: About 1608. Rough estimate based on her first child being born about 1630.

Marriages and Children

Married: 1st - John Hill of Dorchester, Massachusetts before 1630, most likely in England. Married: 2nd - Jonah Austin Sr. of Taunton, Massachusetts on Dec. 14, 1667 in Taunton. [1] He d. there July 30, 1683; she d. in Dorchester, Nov. 18, 1676. [2] See error section for a discussion on this marriage.

Children of John and Frances Hill: John Hill. b. about 1630, probably in England. This is the date given by J. Gardner Bartlett.[3][4] However, as the second child given, Frances, did not actually exist, 1632 may be a better guess. Rebecca Hill. b. about 1634, in Dorchester; admitted to the Dorchester church, Feb. 12, 1664/5; dismissed to the Taunton church, Feb. 18, 1671/2; m. Feb. 25, 1667/8, Joseph Gray of Taunton, who survived her. She d. May 13, 1676. Mary Hill. Married Thomas Breck on 12 February 1656/7 in Dorchester. Removed to Sherborn, Massachusetts. Nine children.

Died there 15 August 1726. [5] Samuel Hill. b. and bapt. about 1638. Jonathan Hill. bapt. July 12, 1640. Hannah Hill. bapt. in Dec. 1641. Mercy Hill. Mercy, bapt. Jan. 8, 1642/3. Ruth Hill. b. in Aug, 1644; m. July 19, 1664, Roger Willis; settled in Sudbury, where she d. Sept, 1, 1736. Ebenezer Hill. Israel Hill. Martha Hill. Bapt. Aug. 20, 1648 ; no further record. Mehitable Hill. Bapt. Feb. 18, 1650-1; d. unmarried, March 5, 1679 Death

Died: 18 November 1676 in Dorchester, Massachusetts. [6] Common Errors to Avoid

LNAB error: The maiden name of Frances is sometimes said to be Tileston or Tildon. This is unproven and there is no direct evidence to support this. There was a relationship between John Hill and Tileston family. His will refers to his loving friend Thomas Tileston. She could not be a daughter of Nathaniel Tilden as is sometimes given. The family of Nathaniel Tilden is well-documented by English wills and baptisms. [7] He did not have a daughter Frances, and wills show there were no other undocumented daughters. She could not be a daughter of Thomas Tileston as he was born c1610. 2nd Marriage confusion: J. Gardner Bartlett in his article gives John Hill 13 children, including a daughter Frances. [4] He states the daughter married Jonas Austin in 1667 and died without children in 1676. This is incorrect. It was John Hill's widow Frances who remarried to Jonas Austin. [8] [9] Evidence to support this includes the fact that Jonas Austin born in 1598 and was too old to have married a daughter of John Hill. John Hill's will indicates he had at most 12 children and not 13. There is no evidence of a daughter Frances.

FRANCIS HILL was about 56 years old when JOHN died. She owned and operated the farm for some time after JOHN HILL's death. On February 13,1667/68, the widow HILL was taxed on eighteen acres in the Great Lotts.

Spouse of John Hill of Dorchester: Frances (___),  married in either England or Mass abt 1629, England, per Torrey born say 1610. (First born abt 1630, babies into the 1650's). Torrey notes she may have been "sister of Robert Turner's wife". She was left with a large family when John died, as so often happened in the early days, kids aged from possibly ages under 10 to 21. She then married Jonas Austin of Taunton, Mass, in 1667, three years after his death. She died on November 18, 1676, at Dorchester, age in her  60's. (She had as many as 12 children from 1630-165?).

there was no daughter named Frances

  The 1904 genealogy of John Hill and his descendants, starting in NEHGR 58:157 in installments, shows a daughter, Frances, who married Jonas Austin, and had no children. (Possibly following the same assertion made by Savage, or vice versa.) This was actually the marriage of the WIDOW of John Hill: Frances (__). (See Torrey). The daughter was a "ghost" made up to fit the marriage. There was no such person. (Note, if one counts John, Samuel and Mary, who were mentioned by name in the will, one arrives at twelve children. The genealogy lists 13 children. Subtract the "ghost" of Hannah from that list, and one is back to the twelve we count from the will. The death date given for this "ghost", Nov 18, 1676, is that of the mother: Frances (___) (Hill) Austin.

References

• John Hill of Dorchester, Mass., and his descendants by Bartlett, J. Gardner. Publication date 1904. <http://archive.org/stream/johnhillofdorche01bart#page/4/mode/2up>
• http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/hill_index.html
• http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jhenderso...
• http://archive.org/stream/johnhillofdorche01bart#page/4/mode/2up John Hill of Dorchester, Mass., and his descendants by J. Gardner Bartlett. Published 1904 by New-England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston . Written in English.  Page 4-5.
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• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36939536/frances-hill_austin