Son of Hersinde, Dame de Ramerupt, Countess of Arcis-sur-Aube (father unknown)

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From FMG Medieval Lands database:

SEIGNEURS de RAMERUPT

1. --- . Arbois de Jubainville states that the name of Hersende’s husband is not known, adding that "on suppose sans preuve que c’était Hilduin comte de Ponthieu"[1838]. As noted above, one possibility is that the husband of Hersende was the brother of Hilduin [I] who is shown above.

m HERSENDE Dame de Ramerupt, daughter of ---. The Historia S. Balsemii records that "la comtesse…Hersende" transported the relics of St Baussenge from the priory of Saint-Pierre d’Arcis-sur-Aube to "son château de Ramerupt dans une église bâtie à ses frais, sous l’invocation de Notre-Dame"[1839]. As noted above, one possibility is that Hersende was the sister of Hilduin [I] who is shown above. Two children:

a) HILDUIN [II] (-after [992/93]). The Historia S. Balsemii and the Historia S. Bercharii name "Hilduin comte d’Arcis" as the son of "la comtesse…Hersende"[1840]. Comte d’Arcis-sur-Aube. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comes de Arceis et de Ramerut…Hilduinus" as brother of "episcopi Manasse Trecensi", specifying that they were "de genere, ut dicitur, Ganalonis"[1841]. The reference to "Ganalo" has not been deciphered. Seigneur de Ramerupt. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in [992/93] that "Adzo [abbas%E2%80%A6Dervensis monasterii]" [Adzon abbé de Montiérender] died "in peregratione transmarina", adding that he had taken with him "comitem Hilduinum de Arceis"[1842].

b) MANASSES (-991). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comes de Arceis et de Ramerut…Hilduinus" as brother of "episcopi Manasse Trecensi", specifying that they were "de genere, ut dicitur, Ganalonis"[1843]. Bishop of Troyes 970.

Two brothers, presumably great-nephews of Hilduin [I] who is shown above if the 1061 charter noted above is interpreted correctly, maybe sons of Hilduin [II] Seigneur de Ramerupt:

1. HILDUIN [III] (-after 1032). Arbois de Jubainville names Hilduin [II] and adds that "on peut supposer que cet Hilduin était fils" of Hilduin [I], implying that there is no primary source which confirms that they were father and son[1844]. Comte [de Montdidier]. Seigneur de Ramerupt. Robert II King of France confirmed the donation of "Manasses comes" to Chartres Notre-Dame by charter dated 4 Feb 1031, signed by "…Manasses comitis, Hilduini comitis fratris eius, filiorum eius Manassis et Hilduini, Burcardo de Montemorenciaco, Evrardi filii Hilduini de Britoglio, Amalrici de Monteforti, Milonis de Caprosa…"[1845].
- see below.

2. MANASSES (-killed in battle Ornel, near Etain 15 Dec 1037, bur Verdun St Vanne). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "comes Suessionis et comes de Dommartin et comes de Ronaco et Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" as brothers of "Helduino comiti de Ramerut"[1846]. This passage names both "comes de Dommartin" and "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" as brothers of "Helduini comiti de Ramerut". As shown by the charter dated 4 Feb 1031 which is quoted below, "Hilduini comitis" had a brother and a son named Manassès. A sensible interpretation of the Genealogiæ is therefore that "comes de Dammartin" (named Manassès) was the brother of Hilduin [II] and "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" his son. This speculation appears to be confirmed by the charter dated 1061, under which Philippe I King of France donated the village of Bagneux to the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés in exchange for Combs, which recounts that "Hugonis ducis…magnus" [Hugues "le Grand"] had granted Combs to "Hilduino…comiti de Monte qui vocatur Desiderius", who died before his benefactor (i.e. before 956), and that Henri I King of France had regranted Combs to "Manasses nepos supradicti Hilduini comitis" just as "suus avunculus Hilduinus" had held it, noting that "Odo comes filius prefati Manassetis" now claimed the property as held by "avunculus patris eius Hilduinus"[1847]. Comte de Dammartin-en-Goële. Robert II King of France confirmed the donation of "Manasses comes" to Chartres Notre-Dame by charter dated 4 Feb 1031, signed by "…Manasses comitis, Hilduini comitis fratris eius, filiorum eius Manassis et Hilduini, Burcardo de Montemorenciaco, Evrardi filii Hilduini de Britoglio, Amalrici de Monteforti, Milonis de Caprosa…"[1848].] - COMTES de DAMMARTIN.

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Source:

1. "Royalty for Commoners",

        Roderick W. Stuart, 1992, 2nd edition.

This book lists all of the known ancestors of John of Gaunt,
which amounts to most of the Medieval royalty of Europe. Also
see the following article: "A Mediaeval Miscellany:
Commentaries on Roderick W. Stuart's Royalty for Commoners,"
The American Genealogist 69 (April 1994)
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/rfc/gw108.htm#I9503

Hildouin II Count of Montdidier, Seigneur de Rameru (-992) [Pedigree]

Son of Helpuin Count of Arcis-sur-Aube and Hersinde Countess of Arcis-sur-Aube

   ev. Pilgrimage to Jerusalem 992

d. AFT 992
Children:

  1. Hildouin III Count of Montdidier m. _____ DAMMARTIN

2. Manasses Count Dammartin (-1037) m. Constance of France

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p330.htm#i11430 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )