James Absolom Green, Free Settler "Eliza" 1822

Died 19 August 1843 in Kelso NSW Rego no V18433708 27B aged 57 Registered Church of England Kelso NSW James was aged 37 years and a sailor in His Majesties Service in England for 13 years when his brother Amaziah Green petitioned the Right Honourable Lord Bathurst, Secretary of State & c & c in London in 1822 for permission to send his brother James and son George Green to come to Australia to be with Thomas Hyndes and Charlotte (a timber merchant) Mrs Hyndes being his sister.

James arrived in Sydney with his nephew George Green on the “Eliza” as a crew members they left Sheerness, mouth of the River Thames on the 22 November 1822.

“The Eliza” was owned by William Faith.

The memorial his brother Amaziah Green wrote to the Secretary of State in London 1822

“To the Right Honourable Lord Bathurst, Secretary of State & c & c

The Humble Petition of Amaziah Green of 12 Foxes Lane Shadwell in the County of Middlesex

Sheweth:

That your petitioner has a brother-in-law who resides in Castlereagh Street Sydney, Port Jackson in New South Wales named Thomas Hyndes a Timber Merchant that he has no family to him where he says he can well provide for them that your petitioner has an opportunity of sending his son George Green aged 12 years and a brother named James Green aged 37 who has been at sea in His Majesty’s service 13 years and who wish to settle at Sydney with the uncle and brother-in-law Thomas Hyndes, Mrs Hyndes being his own sister.

That you petitioner has the promise of Mr Faith the owner of the “Eliza” taken up by His Majesty’s Government to proceed to Port Jackson to take your petitioner’s son and brother to Sydney as seamen for the passage outwards.

That your petitioner has a large family and being unable to provide for them so well as he could wish and not being able to go there on account of his large family having five children and not wishing to loose the offer of his brother in favour of his family.

Your petitioner therefore most humbly prays Your Lordship will be pleased togrant the said George Green his son and James Green his brother liberty to settle with the said Thomas Hyndes when they shall arrive at Sydney.

And you petitioner as in duty bound will ever pray & c & c.

16 May 1822 Amaziah Green

The petition was successful and in July 1822 the 12 year old George left his parents and younger brothers and sisters and set sail on his great adventure to the other side of the world. The Eliza” a vessel of 511 tons, left Sheerness carrying 160 convicts plus a detachment of the 3rd Regiment (the Buffs) as guards. The voyage took 125 days and they arrived at Port Jackson on 22nd November 1822.

On his arrival James worked as an overseer for Thomas Hyndes at Enfield and Gerringong NSW.

Use care his nephew George Green also name a son after him who was also James Absolom Green.

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/newsS10.htm

News 1810 Index No 1

An index to newspaper references Sydney, New South Wales, 1810 compiled by & copyright of: Jenny Fawcett

Green James re presentation of claims

Hyndes Thomas Chapel Row..tin for sale In the book a “History of North Shore from 1788 to Today”

by Les G Thorne, printed by Angus and Robertson in 1968 ISBN No 020713725 0

It states in an article about Thomas Hyndes (pages 43-48)

“Hyndes showed business acumen when he explained to Governor Brisbane that his

brother-in-law, an overseer of the Illawarra properties, was frequently at a loss to determine whether the cedar he was sending to Sydney was from the Crown land or private property.

Hyndes therefore requested that he should be allowed to rent the Crown land at the rear of his farm so neither he or his overseer would commit any breach.

Brisbane acceded to this request.”

I am assuming this would be James Absolom Green (the first) as Amaziah Green was yet to come to Australia. - Glenice.

“18 December 1823—Thomas Hyndes owned 1,000 acres of land and in 1828 leased 2560 acres of Crown land at Illawarra (on top of other large land holdings).

Having his property interests widely spread, Hyndes made Sydney his headquarters. First he lived in Chapel Row (now Castlereagh Street) and then he made his principal home in

Sussex Street– His wife died here.

But he also had a large home facing what was to become Punchbowl Rd (Enfield) in the Cooks River area with which he first became associated with the area in about 1809. When he built the large home (that is no longer there now) he was working the land there as a master-sawyer and produced timber in 1822.

In that year Robert Pymble arrived and Thomas was living at Lane Cove and probably his brother-in-law was foreman in the Cooks River district. It is likely that Hyndes had homes on widely separated estates, probably for his foremen and would live there himself from time to time.” From the Colonial Secretary’s Letters – re Land.

There are two entries that might belong to James and his wife Elizabeth – this needs investigation for confirmation.

Item Reel Surname Firstname 1st Date Last Date Remarks

2/7869 1133 Green James 1828 1850 see also Green

Elizabeth Street Sydney

2/7869 1133 Green Elizabeth 1831 1831 wife of James Green

Also listed are

2/7869 1133 Green Amaziah 1834 1834

2/7869 1133 Green George 1834 1851 The Census of 1828

James Green (F- indicates first family member of a group) aged 42 Came Free on Eliza in 1822 Religion Protestant Occupation Labourer Residence Clarence Street Sydney Reference No G1147- Uncle of George Green - with whom he traveled from England.

Elizabeth Green (G- indicates last family member in a group) aged 18 Born in Colony Religion Protestant Reference No G1148 – aunt of George Green (nee Sims)

George Green aged 18 Came Free on Eliza in 1821, Religion Protestant, Occupation Apprentice Employer Thomas Day Boat builder, Residence Kent Street Sydney Reference No G1170- George later married Maria Bates.

Thomas Hyndes (F- indicates first member of a family group) CP on Glatton Sentence Life Occupation Timber Merchant Residence Sussex Street Sydney Reference No H3090– uncle and Guardian of George Green

Charlotte Hyndes (G- indicates last family member of a group) CP on Glatton Sentence Life Religion Protestant Reference No H3094 – aunt and Guardian of George Green

And sister to James Absolom Green)

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10 Dec 1828 Sydney Gazette CAUTION.-All persons are hereby cautioned against giving Trust or Credit to my Wife, ELIZABETH GREEN, she having left her home without any just Cause ; and any Person harbouring her after this Notice will be prosecuted The said Elizabeth Green is a Native of the Colony, about l8 years of age, red hair, freckled complexion, and maiden name Elizabeth Sims. JAMES GREEN

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