Johann Christiaan Grobler, SV/PROG

Originally Grobleben. He was recorded with various spellings, including Grobler, Groeplaar and Grobbelaar. “Grobbelaar is a Dutch version of Grobler that originated in South Africa, and it is therefore unique to South Africa. The progression was Grobleben (1618 to 1671) to Grobler (1671 – 1705) --> Groeplaar (1705) to Grobbelaar (after 1705). Many different variations occurred in the 18th century, but they converged on Grobbelaar.” He himself signed as Grobler though. [1], p 39

1. Jan F Grobbelaar. Johann Grobleben: Progenitor of the Grobler and Grobbelaar families in South Africa. genesis 68 Sept 2020 pp 19-47. Available with eGGSA membership.

Errata issued: 1. The progenitor’s “date of birth” of 24 February 1671 was his baptismal date. 2. Arnoldi Grobleben’s “date of birth” in Figure 1 should be 5 Jan 1634. All dates in this tree are baptismal dates and the abbreviation b. for “birth” should be c. for “christened”.

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Stamvader Johan GROBLER (GROBBELAAR) was born 10 0ctober 1678 in Tangermünde, a town 100 km west from Berlin, Germany. He came to South Africa in about 1708. He was then in the service of the VOC and was employed as a woodcutter and later as a transport driver. We find him in 1712 in the service of Christiaan Maasdorp as a farm labourer. He became a free burger in 1715 and in the same year he married Geertruyd KNOESEN who was baptised on 11 July 1706 daughter of stamvader Cornelis Knoetzen and Dirkje Helms. On 3 June 1736 Geertruyd married stamvader Jan Jurgen Herman (also known as Hans Jurgen Herman(n) from Stuttgart), two months and 3 days after the birth of her youngest son - eleventh child Cornelis Grobler.

CHILDREN

b1 Johannes baptised Drakenstein 9 Feb 1716, X Drakenstein 16 Jul 1740 Margaretha Pyl wid of Jan Swanepoel

b2 Catharina baptised Drakenstein 12 Sep 1717, X Johannes Knoetzen

b3 Cornelia baptised Drakenstein 28 Aug 1718

b4 Willem baptised Drakenstein 12 May 1720, X Drakenstein 16 May 1756 Susanna Knoetzen

b5 Petrus baptised 5 Apr 1722, X Drakenstein 14 Feb 1751 Maryna Susanna Human

b6 Nicolaas baptised Stellenbosch 25 Dec 1723, X Drakenstein 15 Apr 1753 Johanna Hendrina Combrink

b7 Geertruy baptised Drakenstein 31 Dec 1724, X Cornelis van Niekerk, XX Drakenstein 3 Dec 1752 Christiaan Rabie

b8 Dorothea baptised Drakenstein 18 Apr 1728, X 19 Nov 1752 Michael Combrink

b9 Coert baptised Drakenstein 26 Nov 1730, X Tulbagh 29 Feb 1754 Maria Catharina Klopper, XX Tulbagh 1 May 1768 Louisa Pienaar

b10 Dirkje baptised 6 Apr 1733, X 10 March 1754 Cornelis Brits

b11 Cornelis baptised 31 March 1736, X 15 Aug 1762 Magdalena Elizabeth Volschenk

Sources:

J A Heese/R T J Lombard, South African Genealogies

Thanks to research by:

Thanks to submission by:

Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za

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Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk

Stamvader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaar met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Dirkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman)

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Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk

Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Di rkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman)

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Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 3XCW-DX Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Dirkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman)

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Was in diens van Die H.O.I.K. as houtkapper en transport drywer. Word Vryburger in 1715 en is toe in diens van Christiaan Maasdorp. Sekere bronne gee aan dat hy van Grobleben afkomstig is wat ook in die Tangermunde gebied voorkom

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Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Di rkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman) ________________________________________ Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 3XCW-DX Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Dirkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman) ________________________________________ Was in diens van Die H.O.I.K. as houtkapper en transport drywer. Word Vryburger in 1715 en is toe in diens van Christiaan Maasdorp. Sekere bronne gee aan dat hy van Grobleben afkomstig is wat ook in die Tangermunde gebied voorkom view all 16 Johann Grobler, SV/PROG's Timeline 1678 October 10, 1678 Birth of Johann Tangermünde, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany 1708 1708 Age 29 immigrated on 1708

1716 1716 Age 37 Birth of Johannes Grobler, b1 Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1717 September 12, 1717 Age 38 Birth of Catharina Grobbelaar, b2 Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1718 August 28, 1718 Age 39 Birth of Cornelia Grobbelaar b3 Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa 1720 May 12, 1720 Age 41 Birth of Willem Grobler, b4 South Africa 1722 April 5, 1722 Age 43 Birth of Petrus Grobler, b5 Stellenbosch, Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1723 December 25, 1723 Age 45 Birth of Nicolaas Grobler, b6 Stellenbosch, Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1724 1724 Age 45 Birth of Geertruij Grobbelaar, b7

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Jan Groeplaar

Jan

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Vrijburger

Dit wordt ingevoerd als de laatste post vermeldt dat de opvarende vrijburger wordt. Soms wordt een opvarende vrijburger en treedt daarna weer in dienst. Als een opvarende vrijburger wordt en de datum van overlijden wordt gegeven, staat dit bij opmerkingen

This is recorded when the seafarer’s last post informs that he has become a free citizen. Sometimes a seafarer becomes a free citizen and then renews his service. When a seafarer becomes a free citizen and the date of death is known, then this is entered

Hof van Ilpendam

1735 overleden

Geskryf deur Louw du Plessis

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{geni:about_me} Stamvader Johan GROBLER (GROBBELAAR) was born 10 0ctober 1678 in Tangermünde, a town 100 km west from Berlin, Germany. He came to South Africa in about 1708. He was then in the service of the VOC and was employed as a woodcutter and later as a transport driver. We find him in 1712 in the service of Christiaan Maasdorp as a farm labourer. He became a free burger in 1715 and in the same year he married Geertruyd KNOESEN who was baptised on 11July 1706 daughter of stamvader Cornelis Knoetzen and Dirkje Helms. On 3 June 1736 Geertruyd married stamvader Jan Jurgen Herman (also known as Hans Jurgen Herman(n) from Stuttgart), two months and 3 days after the birth of her youngest son - eleventh child Cornelis Grobler.

CHILDREN

b1 Johannes baptised Drakenstein 9 Feb 1716, X Drakenstein 16 Jul 1740 Margaretha Pyl wid of Jan Swanepoel

b2 Catharina baptised Drakenstein 12 Sep 1717, X Johannes Knoetzen

b3 Cornelia baptised Drakenstein 28 Aug 1718

b4 Willem baptised Drakenstein 12 May 1720, X Drakenstein 16 May 1756 Susanna Knoetzen

b5 Petrus baptised 5 Apr 1722, X Drakenstein 14 Feb 1751 Maryna Susanna Human

b6 Nicolaas baptised Stellenbosch 25 Dec 1723, X Drakenstein 15 Apr 1753 Johanna Hendrina Combrink

b7 Geertruy baptised Drakenstein 31 Dec 1724, X Cornelis van Niekerk, XX Drakenstein 3 Dec 1752 Christiaan Rabie

b8 Dorothea baptised Drakenstein 18 Apr 1728, X 19 Nov 1752 Michael Combrink

b9 Coert baptised Drakenstein 26 Nov 1730, X Tulbagh 29 Feb 1754 Maria Catharina Klopper, XX Tulbagh 1 May 1768 Louisa Pienaar

b10 Dirkje baptised 6 Apr 1733, X 10 March 1754 Cornelis Brits

b11 Cornelis baptised 31 March 1736, X 15 Aug 1762 Magdalena Elizabeth Volschenk

Sources:

J A Heese/R T J Lombard, South African Genealogies

Thanks to research by:

Thanks to submission by:

Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za

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Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk

Stamvader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaar met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Dirkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman)

Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 3XCW-DX

Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk

Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Di rkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman)

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Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 3XCW-DX Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Dirkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman)

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Was in diens van Die H.O.I.K. as houtkapper en transport drywer. Word Vryburger in 1715 en is toe in diens van Christiaan Maasdorp. Sekere bronne gee aan dat hy van Grobleben afkomstig is wat ook in die Tangermunde gebied voorkom

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Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van die VOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Di rkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman) ________________________________________ Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 3XCW-DX Grobler; betekenis: Grof Groot Sterk Stam vader: Johann Grobler gebore 10 Okt 1678 Tangermunde (Duitsland) Kom ca 1708 in Suid Afrika aan; 1708-13 Houthaker en later as wadrywer in diens van dieVOC; 1712 in diens van Maasdorp as boerekneg. Vryburger in 1715; trou dieselfde jaa r met Geertruyd Knoetzen, ged 11.7.1706 (11 kinders) dv Cornelis Knoetzen en Dirkje Helmes (sy xx 3.7.1736 Hans Jurgen Herman) ________________________________________ Was in diens van Die H.O.I.K. as houtkapper en transport drywer. Word Vryburger in 1715 en is toe in diens van Christiaan Maasdorp. Sekere bronne gee aan dat hy van Grobleben afkomstig is wat ook in die Tangermunde gebied voorkom view all 16 Johann Grobler, SV/PROG's Timeline 1678 October 10, 1678 Birth of Johann Tangermünde, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany 1708 1708 Age 29 immigrated on 1708

1716 1716 Age 37 Birth of Johannes Grobler, b1 Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1717 September 12, 1717 Age 38 Birth of Catharina Grobbelaar, b2 Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1718 August 28, 1718 Age 39 Birth of Cornelia Grobbelaar b3 Drakenstein, Cape, South Africa 1720 May 12, 1720 Age 41 Birth of Willem Grobler, b4 South Africa 1722 April 5, 1722 Age 43 Birth of Petrus Grobler, b5 Stellenbosch, Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1723 December 25, 1723 Age 45 Birth of Nicolaas Grobler, b6 Stellenbosch, Caap de Goede Hoop, Suid Afrika 1724 1724 Age 45 Birth of Geertruij Grobbelaar, b7

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1705-05-10

1713-07-31

Kaap de Goede Hoop

Vrijburger

Dit wordt ingevoerd als de laatste post vermeldt dat de opvarende vrijburger wordt. Soms wordt een opvarende vrijburger en treedt daarna weer in dienst. Als een opvarende vrijburger wordt en de datum van overlijden wordt gegeven, staat dit bij opmerkingen

This is recorded when the seafarer’s last post informs that he has become a free citizen. Sometimes a seafarer becomes a free citizen and then renews his service. When a seafarer becomes a free citizen and the date of death is known, then this is entered

Hof van Ilpendam

1735 overleden

Geskryf deur Louw du Plessis

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GEDCOM Note

Arrived in Cape Town 1708-12. Worked for VOC as woodchopper and wagoneer. In 1712 in service of Maasdorp as farm worker. Became Free Burger in 1715. ref.: Grobler Geslagsregister ISBN 0 620 10291 8

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Stamvader: Johan GROBLER/GROBBELAAR is afkomstig uit Tangermünde in Duitsland. Hy kom in 1708 in die Kaap aan. Was eers in diens van die V.O.C. as houthakker en later wa-drywer. In 1712 is hy in diens van Maasdorp as boerkneg en word vryburger in 1715.

Stamvader Johan GROBLER (GROBBELAAR) was born 10 0ctober 1678 in Tangermünde, a town 100 km west from Berlin, Germany. He came to South Africa in about 1708. He was then in the service of the VOC and was employed as a woodcutter and later as a transport driver. We find him in 1712 in the service of Christiaan Maasdorp as a farm labourer. He became a free burger in 1715 and in the same year he married Geertruyd KNOESEN who was baptised on 11 July 1706 daughter of stamvader Cornelis Knoetzen and Dirkje Helms. On 3 June 1736 Geertruyd marries stamvader Jan Jurgen Herman (also known as Hans Jurgen Herman(n) from Stuttgart), two months and 3 days after the birth of her youngest son - eleventh child Cornelis Grobler. SA Stamouer webwerf (AM Van Rensburg)
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