John Anthony Foreman, (II)

Curator Note: while we’ve connected this John Anthony Foreman (II) to a father John Anthony Foreman (I) this was done solely based on the statement in James Hicks study. There is no (zero) documentary evidence of this father son relationship!'

Grandparents of Malinda Bigby - Bigby (left), Foreman (right)

Source: Eastern Cherokee Applications of the Court of Claims. Application #3839, Malinda (Bigby) Redman.

Biography

John Anthony Foreman was born about 1744 near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; his father may have been another John Anthony Foreman. In 1797 Indian Agent Silas Dinsmore provided Tennessee Governor Sevier with a list of white men in the Cherokee Nation. Included was "Anthony Foreman, trader and idler." [1] (Curator Note: a transcript of the letter here Transcribed by Helen Hewitt © TNGenNet Inc, 1998, All Rights Reserved here: https://www.tngenweb.org/tnletters/cher~e1.htm

Emmet Starr described John Anthony as a "Scotchman," and granddaughter Malinda Redman said that he was an "Irishman," [2] but the Moravian missionaries met him in January of 1810 and wrote, "Mr. Foreman, a white man who settled here already some 40 years ago.... was born and reared not far from Philadelphia on the Schuylkill and seems to be of a different character from the white people who have mixed with the Indians here. " [3]

He was married twice to full-blood Cherokee Indians.

John Foreman first married about 1780 to Susie and their children included John, Catherine, Thomas, Nannie, Sallie and Richard "Bark" Foreman.

John Foreman married secondly about 1800 to Susie's niece, Wuti "Elizabeth" and their children included Archibald, Elsie, Stephen, Edward, Mary and Alexander. [4]

Researcher James Hicks (without documentation) states that John Anthony passed away on 17 Oct 1817 in the Cherokee Nation East (later Bradley County, Tennessee, USA). [5]

Research Notes

• Since Foreman told the Moravians he had come to the Cherokee Nation about 1770 a 1744 birth year seems very reasonable..
• John Anthony Foreman (2a 2b 3a 4a 5a)

b: 1755 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA (2c 2d 3b)
d: 17 Oct 1817 Cherokee Nation, Bradley, Tennessee, USA @62y9m16d (5b)
sister: Mary Foreman
Family of John Anthony Foreman and Susie Kah-tah-yah Rattling Gourd
m: 1780 Cherokee, Nation East, Tennessee, USA (2e 2f 4b 2g) with children ...
John Anthony
Catherine
Thomas
Nancy "Nannie"
Sarah "Sallie"
Bathia
Richard Bark
Elsie
Stephen
Edward
Mary
Alexander.

Sources

1. Dinsmore to Sevier, March 11, 1797. Transcript at intruders
2. National Archives and Records Administration, Eastern Cherokee Applications of the Court of Claims. Application #3839, granddaughter Malinda (Bigby) Redman
3. Crews & Starbuck, eds. Records of the Moravians Among the Cherokees. Cherokee Heritage Press, Tahlequah, OK. Vol. 3, pp. 1359-1360
4. "History of the Cherokee Indians and Their Legends and Folklore" p363 by Emmet Starr in 1921 & reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc.
5. James Hicks Cherokee Lineages web site; Hicks American Indian Registry[1] www.archives.com

Source: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Foreman-1089
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Foreman.
The descendants of Anthony Foreman, a Scotchman who married two full blood Cherokee wives.
11 Anthony Foreman. Susie Gourd and Elizabeth. A26

1112 John Foreman. Nannie Drumgoole nee Doublehead and Ruth Springston.
2 Catherine Foreman. James Bigby.
3 Thomas Foreman. Susannah Brewer nee Fields.
4 Nannie Foreman. Bushyhead.
5 Sallie Foreman. William Hicks.
6 Richard Bark Foreman and Rachel Seabolt.
- - - - - - - - -
7 Archibald Foreman. Aky Brewer and Theresa Kerr. A27
8 Elsie Foreman. James Spears.
9 Stephen Foreman. Sallie W. Riley and Ruth Candy nee Riley.
10 Edward Foreman. Minerva Kerr.
11 Mary Foreman. Thomas Barnes.
12 Alexander Foreman. Ruth Phillips * and Sarah Fields.

Source: Starr, Emmett. “History of the Cherokee Indians and Their Legends and Folklore.” Warden Company, 1922.

JOHN ANTHONY FOREMAN II (JOHN ANTHONY1) was born 1744 in Philadelphia Colony, PA, and died October 17, 1817 in CNE [Bradley, TN].
He married (1) SUSIE TI-TA-S-GI-S-GI Abt. 1780 in CNE [TN], daughter of TI-TA-S-GI-S-GI. She was born Abt. 1750 in CNE [TN], and died Abt. 1830.
He married (2) ELIZABETH WA-TI GURDAYGLE Abt. 1799 in Cherokee Nat, NC, daughter of GURDAYGLE and SARAH TI-TA-S-GI-S-GI. She was born Abt. 1770, and died January 08, 1845.

• Blood: Scotchman
• Starr's Notes: A860, H879 as Anthony Foreman

Notes for SUSIE TI-TA-S-GI-S-GI:

• On page 566 Starr lists Susie as being in the Savannah Clan.
• Blood: Full Blood Cherokee
• Clan: Ani'-Wâ'di = Red Paint (Susie Gourd)
• Starr's Notes: A860, H879 "Blind Savannah Clan"

Notes for ELIZABETH WA-TI GURDAYGLE:

• Niece of Susie Gourd.
• Clan: Ani'-Wâ'di = Red Paint (Susie Gourd)
• Starr's Notes: A860, H879 "Blind Savannah Clan"

Children of JOHN FOREMAN and SUSIE TI-TA-S-GI-S-GI are:

• 3. i. JOHN3 FOREMAN, b. Abt. 1780, CNE [TN]; d. 1807.
• 4. ii. THOMAS FOREMAN, SR, b. Abt. 1782, CNE [TN]; d. Aft. 1851.
• 5. iii. CATHERINE FOREMAN, b. April 17, 1785, CNE [TN]; d. November 23, 1842, Stilwell, CNW.
• 6. iv. NANNIE (GOURD) FOREMAN, b. Abt. 1786, CNE [TN]; d. December 31, 1866.
• 7. v. SALLIE FOREMAN, b. Abt. 1788, CNE [TN]; d. September 01, 1839, Fairfield, CNW.
• 8. vi. RICHARD BARK FOREMAN, b. Abt. 1790, CNE [TN]; d. Aft. 1851.

Children of JOHN FOREMAN and ELIZABETH GURDAYGLE are:

• 9. vii. ARCHIBALD3 FOREMAN, SR, b. January 01, 1801, CNE [TN]; d. April 28, 1838, Trail of Tears.
• 10. viii. ELSIE FOREMAN, b. July 04, 1804, CNE [TN]; d. November 1863.
• 11. ix. STEPHEN U-TSE-LV-NV-HI FOREMAN, REV, b. October 22, 1807, U-yu-gi-lo-gi, CNE [Floyd Co, GA]; d. December 12, 1881, Park Hill, OK.
• x. EDWARD FOREMAN, b. April 22, 1809, Floyd Co, GA; d. May 22, 1834; m. MINERVA KERR, March 27, 1834; b. Abt. 1816.
• * Emigration Rolls show Edward Foreman, under age 25, living in Mouse Creek, Tennessee, leaving Cherokee Nation East December 5, 1833 with his brother Alexander.Edward arrived in Cherokee Nation West May 22, 1834 - Dead.
• * Clan: Ani'-Wâ'di = Red Paint (Susie Gourd)
• More About MINERVA KERR:
• * 1851 Drennan roll: Tahlequah, 258 as Minerva Foreman (not inc)
• * Blood: Non-Cherokee
• 12. xi. MARY FOREMAN, b. April 10, 1812, Floyd Co, GA; d. July 03, 1864.
• 13. xii. ALEXANDER FOREMAN, b. September 06, 1816; d. January 31, 1865.

Source: Hicks, James R. “Cherokee Lineages: Register Report of John Anthony Foreman I” Genealogy.com, Sites.Rootsweb.com,, https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0013...

Anthony Foreman (John Anthony1) was born 1744 in Scotland, and died October 17, 1817 in Cherokee Nation, Bradley, Tennessee.
He married (1) Susie Kah-tah-yah Gourd Abt. 1779 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee, daughter of Teetarskeeskee.She was born Abt. 1741 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee, and died Aft. 1828.
He married (2) Elizabeth Gurdaygle Abt. 1799 in Cherokee Nation North Carolina.She was born Abt. 1781 in Cherokee Nation East, and died January 08, 1845.

(Curator Note: I don't think there is any accurate information on his parents although there are plenty of Internet trees that provide them for him.)

• Toward the end of the American Revolution, a Scottish soldier names Anthony Foreman grew sick of the bloodshed and sought a peaceful refuge for himself among the Cherokees in the hills of north Georgia.There he met and married Susie Gourd, a full blood Cherokee woman of the Paint Clan. She might have been from the Rattlinggourd family, as many of their descendants were called Gourds. Together, Anthony and Susie established a home in the small town of Ooyougilogi about 20 miles northeast of the present site of Rome, Georgia.
• Most records say that Anthony Foreman, whose full name was John Anthony Foreman, is the progenitor of our Foreman family in America. He was a full blooded Scotsman born in 1744. Other records suggest that his father, John Foreman, born around 1720, might also have been in America, possibly around the Philadelphia area.This fact would make him the patriarch of "our American Foreman's".
• We don't know much about Anthony when he was young, who his mother was or how many brothers and sisters he had. The only hint of a sibling was in the contents of a letter his son Stephen wrote in later years to Rev. William E. Schenk at Park Hill, Indian Territory. The letter stated that Stephen had been told by his mother that Anthony had a sister named Mary, or Polly, and that she had lived somewhere in Pennsylvania, maybe Philadelphia, and was married to a man named Wolfe.
• Some researchers say that Anthony's wife Susie died sometime around 1800, at which time he married her maternal niece, Elizabeth "Watee" Gurdaygle. But information taken from church records show that Susie was still living in 1828. At that time she is shown by a missionary as an elderly full blooded Cherokee woman in his church and going by the name of Nancy Fields. (Taken from Candy Creek Mission Church) By then Anthony had been dead 10 years and had raised a second family by Elizabeth.
• Now it could have been a polygamous marriage, which was not uncommon in those days. But my theory concerning Anthony and his two wives suggests that he and Susie were divorced (his will mentions only Elizabeth as his wife). He probably married Elizabeth around 1799 or 1800, since his first child by her, Archibald, was born on January 1, 1801. The reason for the assumption of a divorce between Anthony and Susie is that there was a span of about 13 years between his two sets of children, which makes me think there was a period during that time when he did not have a wife.
• Nevertheless, Anthony Foreman was the father of 12 children, six by each wife.There were five daughters and seven sons, with the first child, John, being about 36 years older than the last one.They all grew to adulthood and all married. One of the children was Thomas, and another was Stephen, the renown Presbyterian minister and missionary. Names of the other children were Catherine, Nannie, Sallie, Richard, Archibald, Elsie, Edward, Mary and Alexander.
• By profession, Anthony Foreman was a trader, and in spite of the large number of children, he provided well for his family. He was especially eager that his sons receive a full education and frequently impressed upon them the need to go to school. The girls were probably taught spinning and weaving. Census records of that day always stated the number of spinsters and weavers in each household, which shows that these trades were considered very important. Making clothing was a worthwhile task in colonial households. On small farms, the women planted and tended a patch of flax, harvested the crop, spun the yarn and wove it into linen. They wove Woolen cloth from yarn spun from the fleece of sheep.The linens and woolens were colored with dyes made from certain barks, berries and roots.
• In the Foreman home, both English and Cherokee were spoken. By custom the boys were taught to speak English like their father, while the girls spoke Cherokee like their mothers. As a general rule, early day Cherokees spoke better English and were better educated than the average settlers of the South and West. One reason for this was the early marriages of the Cherokee women to English, Scotch, Irish and French men who came from Europe in the 1700's. Most of these men were well educated and often came from aristocratic families. Their culture was passed down to their children and grandchildren.
• Anthony Foreman died on October 17, 1817, in Cherokee Nation East, several years before members of his family and other Cherokee Indians would go on that journey to new lands, the journey that was to become known as the "Trail of Tears".One of his sons, Archibald Foreman, would die on that trip.
• Anthony had made a written will a few days before his death in his 73rd year. By this time, the six older children were all married and had families of their own. The ages of the younger six were approximately 1 through 16, and it was to them and his widow Elizabeth that he bequeathed the farm in probably what is now McMinn County, Tennessee. And to his son Archibald, he left his house and other real property. The family continued to reside there on the farm until sometime after the Treaty of 1819 when they removed to the Nation on the south side of Hiwassee, in the same area where the farm was located, McMinn County, Tennessee.
• Elizabeth Foreman died several years later, on January 8, 1845. It is not known if she continued living in the East and died there, or if she removed with most of the other Cherokees on the Trail of Tears and died in Indian Territory. Some Cherokees remained in the East, for one reason or another.
• These notes were given to me by June Herman and given to her. The name on the pages are Patricia Noble Badry, June, 1990.
• Biography of JOHN STUART written by John L. Nichols states that Nancy Foreman was the daughter of a Scottish trader and a Cherokee woman.
• John Anthony Foreman, son of Rev. Stephen Foreman, states on his Miller Application that his grandfather was from Scotland, said to be Scotch-Irish. I have not been able to locate birth information in Pennsylvania.
• British Colonial Papers include a letter, dated October 1779, by Robert Due to Alexander Cameron (Royal agent to the Cherokees).Due (probably the grandfather of Tiana Rogers, Cherokee wife of Sam Houston) mentions Anthony Foreman, whose illness prevented his delivery of the letter to Cameron. The letter concerns a number of white men, residing among the Chickamaugas, who are about to join war parties attacking the American frontier.
• Burial: 1817, Bradley, Tennessee
• Nationality: Scottish
• Occupation: March 11, 1797, Tennessee Passports lists Anthony Foreman as: Trader & Idler

Notes for Susie Kah-tah-yah Gourd:

• SUSIE GOURD could also be Susie Rattlinggourd, but not of the Conrad Rattlinggourd line.
• Emmet Starr's notes in "History of the Cherokee Indians" p 566 states "Anthony Foreman, a Scotchman married Susie, a full blood Cherokee of the Savannah Clan". All records passed down to the Foreman family have always stated that Susie was a member of the Paint Clan as does Rev. Holland's notes (see Catherine Foreman).
• One application of Guion Miller (roll number to be placed here) states that Susie Gourd, 1st wife of Anthony Foreman, was a daughter of a Cherokee named "Teetarskeeskee". This is the only clue to her parentage.Received from Jerry Clark 9/99
• Clan: Paint Clan
• Degree of Blood: Full Blood Cherokee
• Marriage: Abt. 1779, Cherokee Nation East Tennessee

Notes for Elizabeth Gurdaygle:

• ELIZABETH GURDAYGLE was married before her marriage to John Foreman.Elizabeth was the niece of Susie of the Paint Clan.
• Cherokee Name: Watee or Watty listed as Na tee in 1885 article written Princeton Theological Seminary
• Degree of Blood: Full Blood Cherokee Indian
• Residence: Oo-you-gilogie, near Rome, Georgia
• Marriage th Anthony Foreman: Abt. 1799, Cherokee Nation North Carolina

Children of Anthony Foreman and Susie Gourd are:

• + 4 i. John Anthony3 Foreman, born Abt. 1780 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died 1807 in Cherokee Nation East/Killed.
• + 5 ii. Catherine Foreman, born April 17, 1785 in Ooyougilogi County, Tennessee; died 1872 in Stilwell, Indian Territory.
• + 6 iii. Thomas Foreman, Sr., born Abt. 1782 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died Abt. 1854 in Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, Oklahoma.
• + 7 iv. Nannie Foreman, born Abt. 1784 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died 1868 in Near Tahlequah, Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory.
• + 8 v. Sarah 'Sallie' Bathia Foreman, born Abt. 1786 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died September 01, 1839 in Fairfield, Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, Oklahoma.
• + 9 vi. Richard Bark Foreman, born Abt. 1787 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died Bef. 1879 in Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, Oklahoma.

Children of Anthony Foreman and Elizabeth Gurdaygle are:

• + 10 i. Archibald3 Foreman, born January 01, 1801 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died May 28, 1838 in Clear Creek Camp, TRAIL OF TEARS.
• + 11 ii. Elsie Foreman, born July 04, 1804 in Cherokee Nation East Tennessee; died November 1863.
• + 12 iii. Rev. Stephen Foreman, born October 22, 1807 in Oo-you-gi-lo-gi, Floyd County, Georgia; died December 08, 1882 in Park Hill, Indian Territory.
• + 13 iv. Edward Foreman, born April 22, 1809 in Floyd County, Georgia; died May 22, 1834 in Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory. He married Minerva Kerr; born Abt. 1810 in Cherokee Nation East; died Unknown.
• * Emigration Rolls show Edward Foreman, under age 25, living in Mouse Creek, Tennessee, leaving Cherokee Nation East December 5, 1833 with his brother Alexander.
• * Edward arrived in Cherokee Nation West May 22, 1834 - Dead?
• * Education: Candy's Creek Mission School
• + 14 v. Alexander Foreman, born September 06, 1810 in Floyd County, Georgia; died January 31, 1865 in Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory.
• + 15 vi. Mary 'Polly' Foreman, born April 12, 1812 in Floyd County, Georgia; died July 03, 1864 in Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, Oklahoma.

References

• James R. Hicks, Cherokee Lineages: Register Report of John Anthony Foreman link
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Foreman-1089 cites
  • Dinsmore to Sevier, March 11, 1797. Transcript at intruders link
  • National Archives and Records Administration, Eastern Cherokee Applications of the Court of Claims. Application #3839, granddaughter Malinda (Bigby) Redman Digitized at Fold3 https://www.fold3.com/image/221302171; https://catalog.archives.gov/id/56420407?objectPage=3
  • Crews & Starbuck, eds. Records of the Moravians Among the Cherokees. Cherokee Heritage Press, Tahlequah, OK. Vol. 3, pp. 1359-1360
  • "History of the Cherokee Indians and Their Legends and Folklore" p363 by Emmet Starr in 1921 & reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc.
  • James Hicks Cherokee Lineages web site link
  • American Indian Registry link (dead link)
  • Source: Foreman, Lynda S. “User Home Page Book: The Foreman Family: NGS Quarterly Report of John Anthony Foreman I.” Genealogy.Com, 15 Feb. 2004, http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/f/o/r/Lynda-S-Foreman/BOOK-0001/0004-0....