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John Anthony Foreman

Also Known As: "john anthony"
Birthdate: (73)
Birthplace: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA, United States
Death: October 17, 1817 (73)
Cherokee Nat, Bradley, Tennessee, USA
Place of Burial: Bradley Co., TN
Immediate Family:

Son of John Anthony Foreman, I
Husband of Susie Ka-tah-yah Teetarskeeskee Foreman and Elizabeth Foreman
Father of John Anthony Foreman; Thomas "Tasgalodigisgi" Foreman; Catherine Bigby; Nancy Gourd "Nannie" Bushyhead; Richard "Bark" Foreman, The Cherokee Physician and 7 others
Brother of Mary Elizabeth "Polly" Foreman
Half brother of Nancy Augusta Drumgoole and Thomas Foreman

Occupation: Scotch blood, Indian trader
Managed by: Erin Spiceland
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About John Anthony Foreman

John Anthony Foreman, born 1744; died October 17, 1817, TN.

He was the son of 16. John Anthony Foreman. He married (1) 9. Susie Kahtahyah "Cherokee" Rattling-Gourd 1775, TN.

He married (2) Elizabeth Watee Gurydaygle

9. Susie Kah-tah-yah "Cherokee" Rattling-Gourd, born 1755, TN; died 1830. She was the daughter of 18. Teetarskeeskee Rattling-Gourd.

Notes for John Anthony Foreman: Ref; Emmet Starr, Foreman 1, A26

Toward the end of the American Revolution, a Scottish trader named Anthony Foreman met and married Susie Rattling-Gourd, a full blood Cherokee woman of the Paint Clan. Together, Anthony and Susie established a home in the small town of Ooyougilogi about 20 miles northeast of the present site of Rome, Georgia. Some researchers say that Anthony's wife Susie died sometime around 1800, at which time he married her maternal niece, Elizabeth "Watee" Gurdaygle. But information taken from church records show that Susie was still living in 1828. At that time she is shown by a missionary as an elderly full-blooded Cherokee woman in his church and going by the name of Nancy Fields. (Taken from Candy Creek Mission Church)

By then Anthony had been dead 10 years and had raised a second family by Elizabeth. Now it could have been a polygamous marriage, which was not uncommon in those days. But evidence concerning Anthony and his two wives suggests that he and Susie were divorced (his will mentions only Elizabeth as his wife). He probably married Elizabeth around 1799 or 1800, since his first child by her, Archibald, was born on January 1, 1801. The reason for the assumption of a divorce between Anthony and Susie is that there was a span of about 13 years between his two sets of children, which makes me think there was a period during that time when he did not have a wife. Nevertheless, Anthony Foreman was the father of 12 children, six by each wife.

There were five daughters and seven sons, with the first child, John, being about 36 years older than the last one. They all grew to adulthood and all married. One of the children was Thomas, another was Stephen, the renowned Presbyterian minister and missionary. Names of the other children were Catherine, Nannie, Sallie, Richard, Archibald, Elsie, Edward, Mary and Alexander.

By profession, Anthony Foreman was a trader, and in spite of the large number of children, he provided well for his family. He was especially eager that his sons receive a full education and frequently impressed upon them the need to go to school. The girls were probably taught spinning and weaving.

Census records of that day always stated the number of spinsters and weavers in each household, which shows that these trades were considered very important. Making clothing was a worthwhile task in colonial households. On small farms, the women planted and tended a patch of flax, harvested the crop, spun the yarn and wove it into linen. They wove Woolen cloth from yarn spun from the fleece of sheep. The linens and woolens were colored with dyes made from certain barks, berries and roots.

In the Foreman home, both English and Cherokee were spoken. By custom the boys were taught to speak English like their father, while the girls spoke Cherokee like their mothers. As a general rule, early day Cherokees spoke better English and were better educated than the average settlers of the South and West. One reason for this was the early marriages of the Cherokee women to English, Scotch, Irish and French men who came from Europe in the 1700's. Most of these men were well educated and often came from aristocratic families. Their culture was passed down to their children and grandchildren.

Anthony Foreman died on October 17, 1817, several years before members of his family and other Cherokee Indians would go on the "Trail of Tears". One of his sons, Archibald Foreman, would die on that trip. Anthony had made a written will a few days before his death in his 73rd year. By this time, the six older children were all married and had families of their own. The ages of the younger six were approximately 1 through 16, and it was to them and his widow Elizabeth that he bequeathed the farm in probably what is now McMinn Co, Tennessee. And to his son Archibald, he left his house and other real property. The family continued to reside there on the farm until sometime after the Treaty of 1819 when they removed to the Nation on the south side of Hiwassee, in the same area where the farm was located, McMinn Co, TN.

Elizabeth Foreman died on January 8, 1845.


By jerry l. clark February 23, 2009

Acording to Emmet Starr [p.363], Anthony Foreman had two Cherokee wives: Susie and Elizabeth who were aunt and niece, respectively [note A26, p. 472].It is likely that their Cherokee names were Sookie and Quatie.In Starr's notes he identifies them as Susie Gourd and Betsey Gurdaygle. Several Guion Miller application of Foreman descendants state that the father of Susie was named Teetarskee.Some researchers have assumed Susie's last name was Rattling Gourd while others call her Susie Bark.

If Susie's father was named Bark, he might be identified as the Chief Bark mentioned in the Spring Place Moravian Journals, then the following scenario is possible: Chief Bark was apparently the grandnephew and guardian of George Vann, the first student at the Spring Place school. George's parents were John Vann (Cherokee uncle of Chief James Vann) and Mary (daughter of Chief Terrapin). A Cherokee called Old Jenny was a grandmother of young George, and the Moravian said she was a sister-in-law of Chief Bark. Note that Catherine's brother Richard Foreman was better known as "Bark" Foreman.

Since Terrapin was a son of Oconostota, the Great Warrior of Chota, then Old Jenny was likely widow of Terrapin and Bark was Terrapin's brother (and thus also another son of Oconostota).Therefore, Catherine Foreman and the other children of Anthony Foreman and Susie Bark [?] were great grandchildren of the Great Warrior Oconostota.

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John Anthony Foreman's Timeline

Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA, United States
Age 36
Cherokee, Washington, Tennessee, USA
Age 38
Old Cherokee Nation, Georgia, United States
April 17, 1785
Age 41
Cherokee, Washington, Tennessee, USA
Age 42
Cherokee, Washington County, North Carolina, United States
Age 43
Old Cherokee Nation, North Carolina, United States
Age 44
Bradley County, Tennessee, United States
January 1, 1801
Age 57
Tennessee, United States