John Granvile Tidwell

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About John Granvile Tidwell

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John was a Cherokee man

1860 John Tidwell in the 1860 United States Federal Census @ https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry...

1870 John Tidwell in household of John Tidwell, "United States Census, 1870"
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"United States Census, 1870", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC3K-5QW : 28 May 2021), John Tidwell in entry for John Tidwell, 1870.

1880 John Tidwell, "United States Census, 1880"
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"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8G2-D1Y : 13 January 2022), John Tidwell, District 1081, Paulding, Georgia, United States; citing enumeration district , sheet , NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm .

1900 John G Tidwell, "United States Census, 1900"
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"United States Census, 1900", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3N5-X2B : 14 February 2022), John G Tidwell, 1900.

1910 John G Tidwell, "United States Census, 1910"
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"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLKF-2Z8 : accessed 17 July 2023), John G Tidwell, Browning, Dekalb, Georgia, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 24, sheet 10B, family 189, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 184; FHL microfilm 1,374,197.

1920 John G Tidwell, "United States Census, 1920"
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"United States Census, 1920", database with images, FamilySearch (ark:/61903/1:1:MJDC-W6P : Fri Jul 14 06:54:37 UTC 2023), Entry for John G Tidwell and Rachel V Tidwell, 1920.

1938 John G Tidwell, "Georgia Death Index, 1933-1998"
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Certificate of Death: note: Death Certificate states he died on the 27th where the tombstone says the 28th.
"Georgia Death Index, 1933-1998," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V4M2-1L8 : 24 December 2014), John G Tidwell, 27 Nov 1938; from "Georgia Deaths, 1919-98," database, Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com : 2001); citing Fulton, Georgia, certificate number 28538, Georgia Health Department, Office of Vital Records, Atlanta.

1959 John Tidwell in entry for daughter Clemmie Tidwell Johnson, "North Carolina Deaths, 1931-1994"
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"North Carolina Deaths, 1931-1994", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPGN-3G7 : 29 September 2022), John Tidwell in entry for Clemmie Tidwell Johnson, 1959.
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Curator Note: John Tidwell had a white mother and married two white women. Winnie may not have ever actually been married to Young Deer. Her second husband was John Goddard, supposedly mixed-blood but there is no Goddard on the 1835 census. John Tidwell went west before the 1835 Census so was technically an "Old Settler" making him and his descendants ineligible for the Eastern Payment. He didn't stay long in Indian Territory retuning to Georgia in less than a year.

Card D894 is for Martha Tidwell, Pleasant's white wife. I don't think she ever came off the doubtful card, I don't find an allotment for her. They weren't married in the Cherokee Nation and I don't think they ever proved she was eligible. John's wife Lucretia was also disallowed after he died.

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The Tidwell's were accepted as Cherokee by the Cherokee Nation so they are Cherokee.

John Tidwell and many (not sure if it's all) of his children were readmitted to Cherokee citizenship in 1888 and was enrolled by the Dawes Commission but he died before the cut off to get an allotment. Dawes Card 519.

Pleasant, Lodusky, Lucretia (mother) Mary all readmitted in 1888,
Saphronia and Versanoy readmitted in 1890

I haven't looked all of them up, but assume all that who went to Indian Territory in time were approved.

Miller rejected them because John was not on the 1835 census and they were rejected by Siler for the same reason. You had to prove direct descent from someone on the 1835 roll in order to qualify for the Eastern payment.

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John Granvile Tidwell's Timeline

1852
September 30, 1852
Cobb County, Georgia, United States
1938
November 27, 1938
Age 86
Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia, United States