Mary Echols

SOURCE: HISTORY OF ECHOLS FAMILY BY MILNER ECHOLS, WRITTEN 1850. This record is located on Ancestry trees, including mine, Dona Floyd Kimmons.

Said to be a tall red-head (http://larocheusa.org/Hubbard.htm) BROKEN LINK

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See also http://echolsfamilygenealogy.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html?m=1

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Author: michael walker Date: 15 Jan 2002 Surnames: Cave, Echols Classification: Query

There must be tens of thousands and probably hundreds of thousands of people who descend from John Echols who married Mary Cave. And everywhere you look on the Internet, including many nicely designed websites, we have recorded that this Mary Cave was the daughter of John Cave and Elizabeth Travers, who herself was the daughter of Giles Travers and Ann Waugh. I accept the very very strong possibility that John Echols wife Mary was a Cave, based on their g-grandson Milner Echols's records as well as the many early Cave - Echols connections which he would not have known about. However, Milner also states Mary was the daughter of John Cave. This may be true, (or may possibly not be, a very early David Cave seems another possibility). Even if John Cave is Mary's father, however, it can't be the same John Cave who married Elizabeth Travers! Why? Many reasons, but a clear one is this. Mary (Cave) Echols birth date is not known, but she started having children in the late 1690's. So she was born probably ca 1670 maybe as late as 1680. Some records estimate 1674. Well, Elizabeth Travers's father, Giles Travers, was born ca 1662 proven by various records. So can someone explain to me how Giles could have had a grandaughter Mary Cave who was born when he was twelve years old? My personal opinion is that John Cave who married Elizabeth Travers, was the nephew or possibly even grand nephew of Mary Cave Echols. He could NOT have been her father. Please don't take this posting as confrontational. However it would be a great service if those many people who have posted on their webpages and elsewhere, the incorrect data that Mary Cave Echols' s parents were John Cave and Elizabeth Travers, would remove that incorrect data, and even contact other descendants they have (I realize unwittingly and with no malice) passed this mistake on to.

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ID: I5586

Name: Mary CAVE

Surname: Cave

Given Name: Mary

Sex: F

Birth: 5 Jul 1661 in Misterton,Leicester,England

Death: AFT 1712 in Virginia, USA

Note:

Other Birth source says Caro, Burswick, Virginia abt 1660.

Notes from http://www.genealogical-gleanings.com/Early%20Virginia.htm

Lunenburg, VA

Lunenburg County was formed in 1746 from Bruswick County.

John Echols was born in 1650 in England. He moved to VA where he married Mary Cave (daughter of John Cave and Elizabeth Travers) in 1688 in Caroline, VA. John and Mary had the following children: Richard, Mary Eleanor, Joseph, Elizabeth, Anne, William, John, Abraham, Moses and Richard. John died in Lunenburg in 1712. Mary died in 1761 having lived to the age of 91.

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Change Date: 23 Apr 2008 at 15:50:50

Father: John CAVE b: 6 Feb 1644 in Misterton,Leicester,England

Mother: Elizabeth ANDREWS b: in Panborrow, Somerset, England c: 21 Feb 1642 in Wedmore, Somerset, England

Marriage 1 John ECHOLS Sr. b: 17 Feb 1650 in Wilmslow,Cheshire,England

Married: ABT 1688 in Caroline, Burswick, Virginia, USA

Sealing Spouse: 16 Apr 2003 in SLAKE

Children

Mary Elenor ECHOLS b: ABT 1690 in , Amelia, Virginia, USA

Abraham ECHOLS b: ABT 1700 in Amelia, Virginia, USA
Elizabeth ECHOLS b: ABT 1708 in Amelia, Virginia, USA
John ECHOLS b: 1671 in Amelia, Virginia, USA
William ECHOLS b: ABT 1702 in Amelia, Virginia, USA
Joseph ECHOLS b: ABT 1704 in Amelia, Virginia, USA
Richard ECHOLS b: ABT 1706 in King Queen, Virginia, USA
Ann ECHOLS b: ABT 1692 in Amelia, Virginia, USA
Eleanor ECHOLS
Sources:

Repository:

Name: Family History Library

Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA

Title: Ancestral File (R)

Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Publication: Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January

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"a tall, redheaded woman." (Milner Echoles in his 1850 history)

Mary Cave's Mother: Elizabeth ANDREWS Birth Feb 1642 in Panborough, Somerset, England Death 1671 in Stafford County, Virginia, USA

Mary Cave's Father: John CAVE Sr Birth 6 Feb 1644 in Misterton, Leicestershire, England Death 8 Apr 1721 in Stafford County, Virginia, USA

John Cave was born 1644 in England, the son of Samuel Cave and Rachel Kellogg.

He was an importer of fine wines. He owned land in Stafford County.

He married 1st Elizabeth Andrews, daughter of George Andrews and had issue: Mary, John, William and David.

He married 2nd Elizabeth Travers, no children from this union.

John Cave and his son-in-law John Echols, sponsored settlers to come to Virginia by paying their transportation for which they received head rights for fifty acres.

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Sources

Marriage Record Name: Mary Cave Gender: Female Birth Place: VA Birth Year: 1661 Spouse Name: John Echols Spouse Birth Place: VA Spouse Birth Year: 1655 Marriage Year: 1683 Marriage State: VA Number Pages: 1 Source Citation Source number: 2175.023; Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE, listed as parents; Number of Pages: 1 Source Information Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900

[ http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=148248809&ref... FindAGrave] Interesting discussion about the idea that Mary is connected to the Travers family, accessed 9 Mar 2015. Echols Family Newsletter, HISTORY OF ECHOLS FAMILY by MILNER ECHOLS 1850, accessed 9th March 2015. Family Search - Abraham and John Echols, accessed 9 Mar 2015. NOTE

This profile has been mixed together with another Mary Cave, daughter of John. The profiles, spouses and children of the two Mary Caves do not line up. DNA matches one of them to a child, but not the other.

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History of the Echols Family by Milner Echols, 1850); Family Tree of John Echos and Mary Cave; History of Echols Family.

"Williams Family History Book, author, Dona Vance, (now Dona (Floyd) Kimmons, published in 1974, copyrited in Washington, placed in Jasper County Chamber of Commerce, Jasper County Library, Ft. Worth State Library, with all interviews coming directly from family members.

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Mary Eleanor (Cave) Echols is my 7th great-grandmother.
She is the daughter of John Cave Sr. (1637-1717) and Elizabeth Harriet (Travers) Cave. DISPROVEN?
She married John II Ecles/Echolls Echols at age 22 July 5, 1683, Caroline, Virginia, U.S.
She is the mother of Joseph Echols, 1692-1776, John Echols, Jr. (1695-1750, Abraham Blair Echols (1700-2759),William Echols, (1702-1771, Ann Echols (1703-1740), Elizabeth Echols (1704-1771),Moses Echols (1704-1782, Eleanor Elizabeth Echols (1704-1771), Richard E. Echols (1706-1778), Sallie Echols (1710-1740).

SOURCES:

1) Lineages of Members of the National Society of Sons and Daughters of the Pilgrims, Vol. III.
2) U.S. and International Marriage Records 1560-1900.
3) U.S. Find-A-Grave Index, 1600's-Current
4) Clemens, William Montgomery, (1912) Genealogy: a Journal of American Ancestry, New York: W.M. Clems, Archive.org (Page 43).
5) HISTORY OF THE ECHOLS FAMILY BY MILNER ECHOLS, WRITTEN 1850.

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