Sir Peter Arderne, Kt.

Better evidence needed to support Blanche de Arderne, of Alvanley as her daughter.

Sir John's only surviving legitimate son, Peter de Arderne (1327-c.1378) married Cecily, heiress of an estate at Bredbury which later became known as Harden or Arden Hall after the family. Would have been born after his father's divorce of Cicely de Eaton.

(Ormerod) Son and heir of his father, he was aged 22 in 23 Edward III (1350); possessed by Alvanley 30-42 Edward III (1357-69).

Family

https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/aa/arderne1.php

• (i) Sir John de Arderne of Alford, Alderley and Alvanley (d c1349) m. Alice de Venables (dau of Hugh de Venables of Kinerton by Agatha Vernon)
  • (b) Peter de Arderne of Harden and Alvanley (b 1327, d 1378-9) m. Cicely de Bredbury (dau of Adam de Bredbury of Harden Hall)
    • ((1)) Charles de Arderne of Timperley The following comes from Visitation (Cheshire, 1580, Ardern of Timperley). m. Elizabeth Radcliffe (dau of Richard Radclffe of Timpley, "younger brother of the Tower")
    • ((2)) Hugh de Arderne of Harden Hall (b 1350, d c1420) m1. Agnes de Hulme m2. Cecily de Hyde (dau of Ralph de Hyde)
    • ((3)) John de Arderne [@@ We are concerned about possible confusion between the following Charles of Timplerley and the Charles shown above (who m. Elizabeth Radclyffe). Some web sites show the husband of Cicely de Bredbury as John rather than Peter, shown as father of the above Charles of Timplerley, whilst there also seems confusion regarding the Margery or Blanche who married William Stanley of Hooton. We hope to investigate these matters further in due course.]
    • ((4)) Matilda de Arderne
    • ((5)) Blanche de Arderne m. William Stanley of Hooton probable duplication - see note @@ just above

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https://cybergata.com/roots/8443.htm

Peter married Cecily Bredbury, daughter of Adam Bredbury and Unknown, in 1331 in Aldford, Cheshire, England.863

~Archaeologia Cambrensis, Vol XIV, 4th Series, 1883, p. 70, In an article titled "Sir William Stnanley" refers to John as Sir John Arderne of Hawarden or Harden. 864

~The Visitation of Cheshire in the year 1580, p. 18, 527 also shows Sir John Arderne, father of Blanche who married William Stanley, to be of Hawarden.

BUT:

This is how I figured out just howthis John or Peter and his daughter Blanche Arderne fit into the Arderne family:

The Visitation of Cheshire in the year 1580, p. 18, shows (2)Sir John Arderne, father of (3) Blanche who married William Stanley, to be of Hawarden. He is shown as the son of another (1)Sir John Ardern of Harwarden, and brother and heir to his elder brothers, (2)Walter and (2)Thomas, who both died without issue. Besides having a daughter, (3)Blanche who married William Stanley, (1) Sir John is shown with a son named (3)Hugh Arderne, who has a son (4)Ralph Arderne, married to ______Stanely of Hooton. (4)Ralph Arderne sons shown are (5)Thomas of whom the Arderne of Leicestershire desended, and (5)John married to a daughter of Thomas Davenport.

Comparing this to the pedigree chart given by Ormerod for the Ardernes in History of Cheshire, Vol. II,, 713 pp. 85-86, I find that rather than being named John, there is a (2)Peter, son of (1)John Arderne & Alice Venable, daughter of Hugh Venables (his first wife, his third wife, being Ellen Wastney). Peter's half-brothers are (2)Sir Thomas & (2)Walkelyn (Walter) and his other brother is named (2)John, all who died without issue. (2)Peter is married to Cecily, daughter and heiress of Adam de Bredbury (marriage settlement on 5 Edward III). Their son, (3) Hugh de Arderne of Harden whose son, (4) Ralph is married to Katherine, daughter of Sir William Stanely of Hooton, and their sons are, (5) Thomas (Arderne's of Leicestershire) and (5) John who has a son, (6) Ralph who is married to Margaret, daughter of Thomas Davenport.

Noted events in his life were:

• Background Information. 863

Peter de Arderne proved to be the surviving son and heir of Sir Joan Arderne in 1349, by the direct evidence of his father's Inquisition post mortem. Eighteen years before this, 5 Feb. 1331, when he was about six years old, he is named in his marriage covenant, an indenture between John de Arderne and Adam de Bredbury for his daughter Cecily to marry Peter de Arderne. By this deed Adam de Bredbury enfeoffs William de Stokeport, Chaplain, with half his manor of Romilegh and seven parts of Bredbury, with the remainder to Piers and Cecilia, and the heirs of their bodies, with other rent-charges on Bredbury, Romilegh, and lands in Macclesfield. John de Arderne also settles a rent-charge of forty marks from his manor of Aldford on the same parties.

The Bredbury estate, obtained by Peter's marriage to Cecily, included Harden, a subsequent principal seat of this family, and added to it was Alvanley which Peter gained after proving himself as the brother of the heir of Sir John de Arderne, his father, at his father's post mortem inquisition. He in turn was succeeded by his son, Hugh Arderne of Harden and Alvanley.

~Ormerod's Parentalia, pp. 89-90

Comments

See this discussion from < soc.gen.medieval > about the parentage of Blanche Arderne

….If William Stanley was b. c. 1400, then his mother Blanche Arderne could easily be born c. 1370, which would fit the identification of Blanche as daughter Peter de Arderne and Cicely de Bredbury ( see Earwaker, "History of East Cheshire," p. 474).

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Supporting data

• 'Full text of "Miscellanea Palatina: consisting of genealogical essays illustrative of Cheshire Domesday roll, compiled from original authorities"
• http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme/miscellaneapal...
• 'Miscellanea Palatina: consisting of genealogical essays illustrative of Cheshire Domesday roll, compiled from original authorities
• http://www.archive.org/details/miscellaneapalat00orme
• VII. JOHN ARDERNE, afterwards knighted, and son and heir of Sir John and Margaret, was a minor in, 1317, 2 Ed. II, when Prince Edward presented to Aldford Church, as in his right, and he is named as Lord of Elford in the returns of 9 Ed. II. In 1324, 17 Ed. II, he was one of the knights summoned from Staffordshire to attend the Great Council at Westminster, and in the following year was a Commissioner of Array for Cheshire. In 1327 he presented to Mobberly, in right of his ward, Ralph de Modburlegh, a military tenant of Aldford ; and as Lord of Aldford, granted that ward's marriage, in 1329, to John de Pulford.4
• In compiling the History of Cheshire, the facts of the Alvanley line descending from 'Peter de Arderne', legitimate heir of Sir John and Alice Venables, and of Thomas A. of Aldford and his brother Walkelyn being illegitimate, were discovered and brought forward;2 but evidence had not been then obtained for showing Alice Venables, Jane de Stokeport, and Ellen Wastneys, to have been all successive wives of one Sir John de Arderne ; of the one, namely, now spoken of, who was son of Sir John Arderne, husband of Margaret of Bromfield.
• This may be proved as follows :
• By Inq. p.m., Dec. 23, 23 Ed. Ill, 1349,3 it was found that John de Arden, Chev., and Ellen his wife, held no lands in the Counties of Chester or Flint at their deaths, except for life, by fine levied in Cheshire : that after their deaths, all their lands therein reverted to Thomas, son of said Ellen, and heirs male of his body, as by said fine ; and that 'Peter de Arden', son of John aforesaid, is his next heir in blood, and aged upwards of twenty-four years. An endorsement before the Justiciary orders the Eschaetor to remove his hands from the lands, as Thomas was "purchasour" (acquirer) by licence.
• In fines relating to N. Alderley, 20 Ed. Ill, and Aldford, 23 Ed. Ill, the same description is used as to Sir John Arderne, Ellen his wife, and Thomas and Walkelyn, sons of Ellen.4 She had become his wife in or before 23 Ed. Ill, when both presented jointly to the Rectory of Aldford.5
• http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme#page/n196/mode...
• The three wives, and the issue of Sir John Arderne, were as follows : —
• I. Alice, daughter of Sir Hugh Venables, of Kinderton, contracted wife in 1 Ed. II, 1307-8, as by the settlements of Alvanley beforementioned.
  • 1. John Arderne, eldest son and heir apparent by this marriage, was unavoidably, though inaccurately, transferred by Vincent to the third wife, as the second was childless, and this first was unknown to him. This John was born before 4 Ed. Ill, 1330,1 as his father then occurs as John Arderne, Senior, in a fine along with his second wife Joan, daughter of Sir Richard de Stokeport, previously wife of Sir Nicolas de Eton, and his widow in 1327.2 In an entail of N. Alderley, he occurs as " Johannes filius Johannis de Arderne Militis," followed by his younger brother " 'Petrus' frater predicti Johannis filii Johannis."3 In 1332 he occurs again in divorce proceedings with reference to his contracted marriage with Cicely de Eton, daughter of his stepmother Joan before mentioned, both being under marriageable years, but both old enough to be described as protesting against it.4 The words of the fine of 4 Ed. Ill, imply the existence of John Arderne, Junior, within the period of Sir John's second marriage ; but he could not be issue by that wife, as in 6 Edward III he was contracted to her daughter by her first husband.
  • ' 2. Peter de Arderne, the ancestor of the Alvanley line, cannot be doubted to be the " Peter, brother of John, son of John," in the Alderley settlement cited ; but decisive evidence is given by the Inq. p. m. 23 Ed. Ill before mentioned, finding him son and heir of Sir John expressly, and by his own claim of Alvanley in pleas at Chester, about 28 Ed. Ill, wherein he describes himself as son and heir of John (son of Sir John Arderne) and Alice Venables his wife. As Founder of the distinct Alvanley line, he occurs hereafter.
  • 3. Margaret Arderne was contracted wife of Nicolas de Eton, son and heir apparent of her father's second wife, in 4 Edw. III. and therefore clearly not the daughter of that lady by Sir John Arderne, both of whom were living, and as clearly not of the third wife. Her Marriage Contract is given by Watson, Warren, ii, 237.
  • http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme#page/n198/mode...
• II. Joan de Stokeport, daughter of Sir Richard, the second wife, was wife of Sir Nicholas de Eton in 1320, and widow in 1326, and mother, by him, of Nicolas and Cecily de Stokeport, which Nicolas and Cecily were severally husband and contracted wife of Margaret and of John de Arderne before mentioned. She was wife of Sir John Arderne (as by fine) in 1330, and from tenor of other fines in which she does not occur, probably deceased in 1332, — in which last year Sir Nicolas de Eton, her son, released lands to Sir John Arderne solely, in which she had previously a joint interest.1
• III. Ellena Wastneys, the third wife, is recognized as wife of Sir John Arderne in the Alderlegh fine of 20 Edw. Ill, and the Aldford fine 23 Edw. Ill, in the presentation to Aldford in same year, and the following Inquisition p. m., finding Thomas Arderne heir of Aldford by alienation under licence, and Peter Arderne, son and heir of the same Sir John in blood. The invariable description of Thomas, as son of Ellen, wife of Sir John, in all these documents, might prevent any confusion as to illegitimacy protected by settlements, but more decided evidence exists. Thomas Arderne presented to Aldford rectory in his own right Jan. 17, 1349,2 and of course was of age then, and was born in or before 1328, and two years after this date, as shewn by fine of 1330,3 Joan de Stokeporte, the second Lady Arderne, who was not his mother, was living.
• The Continuation of the illegitimate line, issue of Sir John Arderne by Ellena Wastneys, ultimately the third Lady Arderne, and of the line of Stanley, which succeeded to these Ardernes at Aldford and Nether Alderley in Cheshire, and Elford in Staffordshire, will be found in the History of Cheshire, vol. iii, p. 301, and Shaw's Staffordshire, vol. i, p. 380.
• The present discussion turns to the legitimate representatives of the family, the ARDERNES OF ALVANLEY.
• http://www.archive.org/stream/miscellaneapalat00orme#page/n200/mode...
• III.
• ARDERNE OF ALVANLEY.
• AFTER THE ALIENATION OF ALDFORD AND ELFORD.
• ' VIII. PETER DE ARDERNE has been proved to have been surviving son and heir of Sir John Arderne in 1349, by the direct evidence of his father's Inquisition post mortem. Eighteen years before this, in Feb. 5 Edward III, 1331, when he would be about six years old, he is named in his marriage covenant, an indenture between Mons. John de Arderne et Adam de Bredbury et Cecile sa feme et Piers le filz de dit Mons. John et Cecile sa feme. By this deed Adam de Bredbury enfeoffs William de Stokeport, Chaplain, with half his manor of Romilegh and seven parts of Bredbury, to himself and the heirs male of his body, with remainder to Piers and Cecilia, and the heirs of their bodies, with other rent-charges on Bredbury, Romilegh, and lands in Macclesfield. John de Arderne also settles a rent-charge of forty marks from his manor of Aldford on the same parties.
• ' The Bredbury estate, obtained by this marriage, included Harden, a subsequent principal seat of this family, and Alvanley was afterwards recovered. Randle Holmes gives an imperfect date of the claim and successful suit, which may be corrected from 2 to 28 or 29 Edward III. It took place on a Thursday next after Trinity, the presiding Justice being Bartholomew Burghersh, whose predecessor, Hillary, retired in August, 27 Edward III.2 The two dates given fill up the period from this time to 30 Edward lll, when Peter de Arderne must have been in possession, since his payment of arrears of quitrent to Vale Royal, as "Lord of Alvandelegh", in 33 Edward III, included that year.
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• 'The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ... By Frederick Lewis Weis, William Ryland Beall Pg.170
• http://books.google.com/books?id=59XcwoRK9jkC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq...
• 6. SIR JOHN de ARDERNE, KNT., of Alford, Alvanley, Alderley and Elford, b. 1266, d. 1308; m. bef. 1299, Margery, dau. of Griffin ap Madog, Lord of Brimfield. (This marriage does not appear in Bartram.)
  • 7. SIR JOHN de ARDERNE, KNT., of Alford and Enford, d. c. 1349; m. (1) 1307/8, Alice, dau. of Hugh de Venables, Baron of Kinderton.
    • ' 8. PETER de ARDERNE, of Alvanley and Harden, b. 1327, d. bef. 1378/9; m. Cicely, dau. of Adam de Bradbury, and Cicely his wife.
      • 9. HUGH de ARDERNE, of Harden and Alvanley, d. bef. 1423; m. (2) Cicely, dau. of Ralph de Hyde.
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• 'Peter de Arderne1
• 'M, b. 1327, d. before 1379
• Father Sir John Arderne d. c 1349
• Mother Alice Venables
• ' Peter de Arderne married Cecilia de Bredbury, daughter of Adam de Bredbury and Cecilia.1 Peter de Arderne was born in 1327 at Harden, Cheshire, England.1 He died before 1379 at of Alvanley, Cheshire, England.1
• 'Family Cecilia de Bredbury b. c 1330
• Child
  • ◦George Arderne+ b. c 1365
• Citations
• 1.[S10297] Unknown author, History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, by George Omerod, 1819., p. 42.
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1787.htm#...
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• 'Full text of "History of the family of Wrottesley of Wrottesley, co. Stafford"
• http://www.archive.org/stream/historyoffamilyo00wrot/historyoffamil...
• 'History of the family of Wrottesley of Wrottesley, co. Stafford
• http://www.archive.org/details/historyoffamilyo00wrot
• http://www.archive.org/stream/historyoffamilyo00wrot#page/91/mode/1up
• Sir Hugh de Wrottesley, K.G., A.D. 1333 to A.D. 1381.
• Sir Hugh de Wrottesley, who now succeeded to his inheritance, is shewn to be son of the last Sir William by the deeds above printed, a suit in Banco of Easter term 13 Ed. II, and another suit on the Staffordshire Assize Roll of 13 Ed. III. He was born in the early part of the year 1314, but is found to be a Knight and in full possession of his estates in January 1334.
• http://www.archive.org/stream/historyoffamilyo00wrot#page/142/mode/1up
• Shortly after the death of Mabel ap Rees, Sir Hugh had married for a third time. His choice on this occasion was Isabella, the 'daughter of Sir John Arderne of Aldford, co. Chester. Sir John was lord of Elford in Staffordshire, but his principal estates lay in Cheshire, where he represented Bigod one of the great Chester feudatories of A.D. 1086, and held his lands by Barony.1 The father and mother of Isabella had both died in 1349, the year of the Great Pestilence, leaving two sons, Thomas and Walcheline, under age, and three daughters, Matilda, Katherine and Isabella. Sir John also left a son, 'Peter, by a former wife', but under a special settlement made with the license of the King as Prince of Wales, the whole of the Aldford fee passed to Thomas, the son of his third wife, Ellen de Bulkeley. This Thomas was born during the lifetime of the second wife, and was clearly illegitimate. He first appears on the Cheshire Plea Kolls under the name of Thomas Ellensone, but he subsequently assumed the name of Arderne, and will appear in these pages as Sir Thomas de Arderne at a later date. The daughters of Sir John Arderne were born in wedlock, and the Arderne estates had been settled by a Fine on the two sons in succession and their issue in tail male, and failing such with remainder to the daughters and their issue.2 Walcheline, the younger brother of Thomas, died leaving no issue, and the male line of Sir Thomas failed after two generations. The attempts of the descendants of the daughters to make good their claim to the Arderne inheritance under this entail will be described later on.
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References

• https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/aa/arderne1.php
• Earwaker, John Parsons. East Cheshire: Past and Present: Or, A History of the Hundred of Macclesfield, in the County Palatine of Chester. From Original Records, Volume 1. (1877) Chart, page 474. < GoogleBooks >