Sir Thomas Arderne, Kt.

Sir Thomas de Arderne, Knt. was the illegitimate son of Sir John de Arderne, Knt. and Ellen Wastenys. Ellen Wastenys was the third wife of Sir John de Arderne, Knt.

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• 'Sir Thomas de Arderne1
• 'M, d. circa 1 July 1391
• Father Sir John de Arderne2 d. 1349
• Mother Elena de Wasteneys2 d. bt 13 Jul 1349 - 23 Dec 1349
• ' Sir Thomas de Arderne was born at of Aldford, Alderley, & Etchells, Cheshire, England; He was illegitimate, but his father eventually married his mother.2 A settlement for the marriage Sir Thomas de Arderne and Katherine Stafford was made on 7 January 1346; They had one son, Sir John.2 Sir Thomas de Arderne died circa 1 July 1391.2
• 'Family Katherine Stafford
  • Children
  • Catherine Arderne+
  • Blanche Arderne+3
  • Sir John Arderne+2 b. 12 Mar 1369, d. 2 Jul 1408
• Citations
• 1.[S5977] Unknown author, Wallop Family, p. 719; Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles by Gerald Paget, Vol. II, p. 434.
• 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 23.
• 3.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 290-291.
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p644.htm#i...
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1. ID: I143248
2. Name: Thomas de Arderne
3. Given Name: Thomas de
4. Surname: Arderne
5. Sex: M
6. Birth: Abt 1337
7. Death: 24 Jun 1391
8. Change Date: 10 Oct 2005 at 03:03

Marriage 1 Matilda Stafforde b: Abt 1346

   * Married:

* Change Date: 10 Oct 2005
Children

  1. Has Children John de Arderne b: 12 Mar 1368-1369

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• 'Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1903) Volume VI. New Semes, part II.
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  • 1 Sir Richard de Stafford was a Knight Banneret and brother of Ralph, the Earl of Stafford. He was a distinguished Knight of the period, and is frequently mentioned by Froiasart, The first witness, 'Sir Thomas Arderne, was brother' to Isabella, the wife of Sir Hugh, and was married to a 'daughter of' Sir Richard de Stafford.
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• Five years after this date, and when Hugh Wrottesley was nine years of age, an event occurred which materially affected his interests. Sir John Arderne, of Aldford, died in 9 Henry IV, leaving an only daughter, and under the settlement made of the Arderne estates in 21 Edward III, these should now have devolved on the issue of Robert de Legh and Hugh de Wrottesley as right heirs of Sir John Arderne and Elena, who had died in 1349.
• The Inquisition on the death of Sir John Arderne was taken at Chester on the 18 June, 9 Henry IV (1408), on the oath of three Knights and nine Esquires of co. Chester, who stated that a certain Robert de Hampton, late Parson of the church of Alderley, and John, son of Roger de Motlowe, were formerly seised in demesne as of fee of the manors of Aldeford, Alderley, and Echeles, and of the advowsons of the churches of Aldeford and Alderley, and of an annual rent of £10 from the manor of Upton in Wyrehale, and had granted the same to John de Ardene and Elena, his wife, for their lives, with remainder to one 'Thomas', the son of Elena, and the heirs male of his body, and failing such, to Walkeline, the brother of 'Thomas' and the heirs male of his body, and failing such, to the right heirs of John de Ardene and Elena, and failing such, to the right heirs of John de Ardene for ever. And John de Ardene and Elena had issue lawfully begotten Matilda and Isabella, and John and Elena had died without leaving any male issue lawfully begotten, and after the death of John de Ardene and Elena, the abovenamed 'Thomas had entered into the said manors, advowsons and rent in virtue of the remainder, and he had issue John de Ardene, Knight; and Thomas died, seised in demesne as of fee tail of the said manors, advowsons and rent, and after his death, they descended to the said John, son of Thomas, who had entered, and had died seised of them, as of fee tail, and had left no male heir'; and they stated that Robert de Legh,
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• the son of Robert de Legh, married the said Matilda, and they had issue Robert de Legh, Kt., which Robert de Legh, Kt., had issue Robert de Legh, who was now surviving ; and Matilda had died, and Robert de Legh, son of the said Robert and Matilda, had died inde seisitus.1 And they stated also that one Hugh de Wrotteslegh, Knight, had married the above named Isabella, and they had issue one John de Wrotteslegh, and John had issue Hugh de Wrotteslegh, who was now surviving. And Hugh the elder and his wife, Isabella, had died, and John, their son, had likewise died, and therefore the right to the said manors, advowsons and rent, after the death of the said John, 'son of Thomas (de Ardene)' should remain to the said Robert, son of Robert de Legh, Kt., as son and heir of the said Robert de Legh, Kt., son and heir of the said Matilda, daughter and one of the heirs of John de Ardene and Elena, and to the said Hugh, son and heir of the said John, son and heir of Hugh, the son and heir of the said Isabella, the other daughter and heir of John de Ardene and Elena.
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• 'History of the family of Wrottesley of Wrottesley, co. Stafford
• http://www.archive.org/details/historyoffamilyo00wrot
• http://www.archive.org/stream/historyoffamilyo00wrot#page/91/mode/1up
• Sir Hugh de Wrottesley, K.G., A.D. 1333 to A.D. 1381.
• Sir Hugh de Wrottesley, who now succeeded to his inheritance, is shewn to be son of the last Sir William by the deeds above printed, a suit in Banco of Easter term 13 Ed. II, and another suit on the Staffordshire Assize Roll of 13 Ed. III. He was born in the early part of the year 1314, but is found to be a Knight and in full possession of his estates in January 1334.
• http://www.archive.org/stream/historyoffamilyo00wrot#page/142/mode/1up
• Shortly after the death of Mabel ap Rees, Sir Hugh had married for a third time. His choice on this occasion was Isabella, the daughter of Sir John Arderne of Aldford, co. Chester. Sir John was lord of Elford in Staffordshire, but his principal estates lay in Cheshire, where he represented Bigod one of the great Chester feudatories of A.D. 1086, and held his lands by Barony.1 The father and mother of Isabella had both died in 1349, the year of the Great Pestilence, leaving two sons, 'Thomas' and Walcheline, under age, and three daughters, Matilda, Katherine and Isabella. Sir John also left a son, Peter, by a former wife, but under a special settlement made with the license of the King as Prince of Wales, the whole of the Aldford fee passed to 'Thomas, the son of his third wife', Ellen de Bulkeley. This 'Thomas was born during the lifetime of the second wife, and was clearly illegitimate. He first appears on the Cheshire Plea Rolls under the name of Thomas Ellensone, but he subsequently assumed the name of Arderne, and will appear in these pages as Sir Thomas de Arderne at a later date'. The daughters of Sir John Arderne were born in wedlock, and the Arderne estates had been settled by a Fine on the two sons in succession and their issue in tail male, and failing such with remainder to the daughters and their issue.2 Walcheline, the younger brother of Thomas, died leaving no issue, and 'the male line of Sir Thomas failed after two generations'. The attempts of the descendants of the daughters to make good their claim to the Arderne inheritance under this entail will be described later on.
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• 'Miscellanea Palatina: consisting of genealogical essays illustrative of Cheshire Domesday roll, compiled from original authorities
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• family into the two lines of Alvanley and Aldford followed, and the discrepancies of genealogies are as follows:---
• The Visitation of 1566 gives to this Sir John four sons ; Walter, S. P. (an error for Walkelyn), 'Thomas, S. P.', Sir John, third son and heir, and Charles, and is followed in Bridges's Peerage.
• Vincent (MS. 120, Coll. Arms) divides this Sir John into two generations (8 Ed. Ill, and 40 Ed. Ill), giving to his second Sir John two wives, Jane de Stokeport, S. P., and Ellena Wastneys, with issue, by Ellena, Walkelyn, 'Thomas of Aldford', Sir John (as ancestor of Alvanley), and Margaret, all given as legitimate.
• A Modern Entry in the College of Arms follows Vincent, assigning Alice Venables as wife to the first Sir John of Vincent's inaccurate arrangement.1
• In compiling the History of Cheshire, the facts of the Alvanley line descending from Peter de Arderne, legitimate heir of Sir John and Alice Venables, and of 'Thomas A. of Aldford' and his brother Walkelyn being illegitimate, were discovered and brought forward;2 but evidence had not been then obtained for showing Alice Venables, Jane de Stokeport, and Ellen Wastneys, to have been all successive wives of one Sir John de Arderne ; of the one, namely, now spoken of, who was son of Sir John Arderne, husband of Margaret of Bromfield.
• This may be proved as follows :
• By Inq. p.m., Dec. 23, 23 Ed. Ill, 1349,3 it was found that John de Arden, Chev., and Ellen his wife, held no lands in the Counties of Chester or Flint at their deaths, except for life, by fine levied in Cheshire : that after their deaths, all their lands therein reverted to 'Thomas', son of said Ellen, and heirs male of his body, as by said fine ; and that Peter de Arden, son of John aforesaid, is his next heir in blood, and aged upwards of twenty-four years. An endorsement before the Justiciary orders the Eschaetor to remove his hands from the lands, as Thomas was "purchasour" (acquirer) by licence.
• In fines relating to N. Alderley, 20 Ed. Ill, and Aldford, 23 Ed. Ill, the same description is used as to Sir John Arderne, Ellen his wife, and 'Thomas' and Walkelyn, sons of Ellen.4 She had become his wife in or before 23 Ed. Ill, when both presented jointly to the Rectory of Aldford.5
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• The three wives, and the issue of Sir John Arderne, were as follows : —
• I. Alice, daughter of Sir Hugh Venables, of Kinderton, contracted wife in 1 Ed. II, 1307-8, as by the settlements of Alvanley beforementioned.
  • 1. John Arderne, eldest son and heir apparent by this marriage, was unavoidably, though inaccurately, transferred by Vincent to the third wife, as the second was childless, and this first was unknown to him. This John was born before 4 Ed. Ill, 1330,1 as his father then occurs as John Arderne, Senior, in a fine along with his second wife Joan, daughter of Sir Richard de Stokeport, previously wife of Sir Nicolas de Eton, and his widow in 1327.2 In an entail of N. Alderley, he occurs as " Johannes filius Johannis de Arderne Militis," followed by his younger brother " Petrus frater predicti Johannis filii Johannis."3 In 1332 he occurs again in divorce proceedings with reference to his contracted marriage with Cicely de Eton, daughter of his stepmother Joan before mentioned, both being under marriageable years, but both old enough to be described as protesting against it.4 The words of the fine of 4 Ed. Ill, imply the existence of John Arderne, Junior, within the period of Sir John's second marriage ; but he could not be issue by that wife, as in 6 Edward III he was contracted to her daughter by her first husband.
  • 2. Peter de Arderne, the ancestor of the Alvanley line, cannot be doubted to be the " Peter, brother of John, son of John," in the Alderley settlement cited ; but decisive evidence is given by the Inq. p. m. 23 Ed. Ill before mentioned, finding him son and heir of Sir John expressly, and by his own claim of Alvanley in pleas at Chester, about 28 Ed. Ill, wherein he describes himself as son and heir of John (son of Sir John Arderne) and Alice Venables his wife. As Founder of the distinct Alvanley line, he occurs hereafter.
  • 3. Margaret Arderne was contracted wife of Nicolas de Eton, son and heir apparent of her father's second wife, in 4 Edw. III. and therefore clearly not the daughter of that lady by Sir John Arderne, both of whom were living, and as clearly not of the third wife. Her Marriage Contract is given by Watson, Warren, ii, 237.
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• II. Joan de Stokeport, daughter of Sir Richard, the second wife, was wife of Sir Nicholas de Eton in 1320, and widow in 1326, and mother, by him, of Nicolas and Cecily de Stokeport, which Nicolas and Cecily were severally husband and contracted wife of Margaret and of John de Arderne before mentioned. She was wife of Sir John Arderne (as by fine) in 1330, and from tenor of other fines in which she does not occur, probably deceased in 1332, — in which last year Sir Nicolas de Eton, her son, released lands to Sir John Arderne solely, in which she had previously a joint interest.1
• III. Ellena Wastneys, the third wife, is recognized as wife of Sir John Arderne in the Alderlegh fine of 20 Edw. Ill, and the Aldford fine 23 Edw. Ill, in the presentation to Aldford in same year, and the following Inquisition p. m., finding 'Thomas Arderne heir of Aldford by alienation under licence', and Peter Arderne, son and heir of the same Sir John in blood. The invariable description of 'Thomas', as son of Ellen, wife of Sir John, in all these documents, might prevent any confusion as to illegitimacy protected by settlements, but more decided evidence exists. 'Thomas Arderne presented to Aldford rectory in his own right Jan. 17, 1349,2 and of course was of age then, and was born in or before 1328, and two years after this date, as shewn by fine of 1330',3 Joan de Stokeporte, the second Lady Arderne, who was not his mother, was living.
• The Continuation of the illegitimate line, issue of Sir John Arderne by Ellena Wastneys, ultimately the third Lady Arderne, and of the line of Stanley, which succeeded to these Ardernes at Aldford and Nether Alderley in Cheshire, and Elford in Staffordshire, will be found in the History of Cheshire, vol. iii, p. 301, and Shaw's Staffordshire, vol. i, p. 380.
• The present discussion turns to the legitimate representatives of the family, the ARDERNES OF ALVANLEY.
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Sir Thomases Wife was Katherine Stafford of Staffordshire