Ignatius Maré, SV/PROG - Ignatius Mare's first marriage

Started by Duncan Scott Bennie on Thursday, January 13, 2022
Problem with this page?

Participants:

Profiles Mentioned:

Related Projects:

Showing all 21 posts
1/13/2022 at 8:52 AM

Hey everyone, some information from the Dordrecht archives:

Ignatius Mare, j.m. van Calabrian married Anna Lijsbeth "Duikinijhs" van Rees in the Augustijnenkerk in Dordrecht in the Netherlands on 3 May 1690.

He bought a house in Voorstraat for f1040 from Pieter Vrijbergen on 8 September 1693. He is listed as a shop owner. He sold this house to the silversmith Casparus van Bemmel on 16 September 1697 for f1770 (he has no occupation listed on this occasion).

He may be the Ignatius Maris who buried an unnamed child on 1 November 1690.

1/14/2022 at 9:29 AM

Hi everyone, just a correction, the 3 May 1690 was an ondertrouw, the actual marriage took place on 9 July 1690 in the Roman Catholic Church in Doredrecht, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899W-GT2W

1/26/2022 at 9:14 AM

Sorry for the delayed response Duncan Scott Bennie - my pc has been on the blink.

What is the Source of this very interesting info:
Ignatius Mare, j.m. van Calabrian married Anna Lijsbeth "Duikinijhs" van Rees in the Augustijnenkerk in Dordrecht in the Netherlands on 3 May 1690.
He bought a house in Voorstraat for f1040 from Pieter Vrijbergen on 8 September 1693. He is listed as a shop owner. He sold this house to the silversmith Casparus van Bemmel on 16 September 1697 for f1770 (he has no occupation listed on this occasion).
He may be the Ignatius Maris who buried an unnamed child on 1 November 1690.

1/26/2022 at 11:42 AM

Hi Sharon, Here are links to the records in question:

His ondertrouw (9 April 1690):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9QJ-DLZV?i=48&amp...

His marriage in the Catholic church (9 July 1690):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899W-GT2W

Baptism of his daughter, Johanna Francina (11 Oct 1690):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99W-GT21
Her likely burial (1 Nov 1690):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QJ-C5ML?i=616&am...

Baptism of his son Ignatius (2 Aug 1692):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99W-GTP1?i=680

Baptism of his son Lucas Martinus (11 Nov 1697):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99W-GYST?i=694

Those baptisms took place in the Catholic church in Dordrecht.

They also baptised a son, Joannes Laurentius in the Catholic church in Amsterdam (18 Feb 1700):
https://www.openarch.nl/saa:02b24022-920f-450e-90cf-40ebe4208a5e?fb...

Other records
The purchase of his house (8 Sep 1693):
https://proxy.archieven.nl/46/EED9768B1C384433A938EAD5B7867899

Another record from 1694
https://proxy.archieven.nl/46/10AF59AD74684D2EAB88D034EA08A1C1

His morgage (28 Feb 1699):
https://www.regionaalarchiefdordrecht.nl/archief/zoeken/?mizig=210&...

The sale of his house (19 Nov 1699)
https://proxy.archieven.nl/46/7A4A362D2DF24A1C96CE65EC683A5F29

1/27/2022 at 10:52 AM

Looks fantastic!

Will you remind me to come back here over the weekend?

1/28/2022 at 11:31 PM
1/29/2022 at 12:21 AM
1/29/2022 at 12:30 AM

Duncan Scott Bennie this is incredibly thorough - thankyou.

I wonder if the absence of a baptism for Catharina Maré, PROG suggests she's more likely to have been his sister than his daughter?

1/29/2022 at 6:54 AM

Or to put it another way - can you find her baptism document anywhere?

1/29/2022 at 8:04 AM

Hi Sharon Doubell, Just some comments.

His first wife's surname is recorded differently a number of times, namely Duikinijs (ondertrouw); Tuckhome (marriage); Theikens, Thekens, Tukhens, Tuckingh (baptisms of her children). I would have a note on all the possible surname spellings. As for the main name, I would use one of the ones with a T as this seems to have been more common (Theikens or Thekens). She is never recorded as van Rees with regards to a surname, just with regards to her origin once in her ondertrouw. So that should probably be removed from her name and put into her likely place of birth.

Also the note under both of them needs to be corrected as my post above, the ondertrouw was recorded at the Augustijnenkerk, but their marriage was in the Oud Katholieke Kerk - Kerk aan de Voorstraat. It was in that Catholic church where they baptised their children (other than the last son, that was baptised at the Catholic church in Amsterdam.

We also need to change his place of birth as we now have two sources which state that he was from Calabria. A note should also be added explaining that he was from Calabria and was Catholic and hence was NOT a Huguenot.

We also need to add a warning to the profile with regards to their being many children with the same name so that people are clear that they are different individuals.

The children will also need their place of birth added.

As for Catharina, I have not yet found any baptism, but I have also found no evidence of a sister in the Netherlands yet. I at this point still doubt the possibility as he had a daughter listed with him in the opgaafrol prior to his marriage.

1/29/2022 at 9:52 PM

His first wife's surname is recorded differently a number of times, namely Duikinijs (ondertrouw); Tuckhome (marriage); Theikens, Thekens, Tukhens, Tuckingh (baptisms of her children). I would have a note on all the possible surname spellings. As for the main name, I would use one of the ones with a T as this seems to have been more common (Theikens or Thekens). She is never recorded as van Rees with regards to a surname, just with regards to her origin once in her ondertrouw. So that should probably be removed from her name and put into her likely place of birth.

Will do.
The van Reens puzzled me to - I saw that it seemed to be given as her father's surname on one of the earlier docs. I'll remove.

1/29/2022 at 10:14 PM

Also the note under both of them needs to be corrected as my post above, the ondertrouw was recorded at the Augustijnenkerk, but their marriage was in the Oud Katholieke Kerk - Kerk aan de Voorstraat. It was in that Catholic church where they baptised their children (other than the last son, that was baptised at the Catholic church in Amsterdam.

Now says: Ignatius Mare, j.m. van Calabrian married Anna Lijsbeth "Duikinijhs" - the ondertrouw was recorded on 3 May 1690 at the Augustijnenkerk, and their marriage on 9 July 1690 was in the Oud Katholieke Kerk- Kerk aan de Voorstraat. It was in that Catholic church where they baptised their children (other than the last son, who was baptised at the Catholic church in Amsterdam.)

1/29/2022 at 10:20 PM

We also need to change his place of birth as we now have two sources which state that he was from Calabria. A note should also be added explaining that he was from Calabria and was Catholic and hence was NOT a Huguenot.

Removed Cambresis, and detatched him from Huguenot Project.

1/29/2022 at 10:22 PM

We also need to add a warning to the profile with regards to their being many children with the same name so that people are clear that they are different individuals.

Curator Notes only hold so many letters, unfortunately.
We use Relationship Locking to prevent mismerges.

1/29/2022 at 10:23 PM

The children will also need their place of birth added.

Will do and invite you to manage. Please just request management on any in this line who you want to work on.

1/29/2022 at 10:30 PM

As for Catharina, I have not yet found any baptism, but I have also found no evidence of a sister in the Netherlands yet. I at this point still doubt the possibility as he had a daughter listed with him in the opgaafrol prior to his marriage.

Do you mean prior to his second marriage?

1/29/2022 at 10:45 PM

Hi Sharon Doubell, yes, prior to his second marriage in 1705. The first fifty years project has a detailed write up on why they believe it is unlikely that she was a sister, and I find that I agree with all their points.

1/29/2022 at 10:49 PM

Great.

1/29/2022 at 10:57 PM

Delia Robertson this Discussion is likely to interest you - if only because it suggests Catherina as Ignatius (Prog)'s daughter would have been born in the Netherlands, not Italy - if she was a child of his first? wife Anna Elizabeth Thekens

Showing all 21 posts

Create a free account or login to participate in this discussion