John Madison, II

Great Grandfather of President Madison

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John Madison

• Born about 1655 in St. Stephen's Parish, New Kent, Virginia
• Died before 24 Mar 1726 in St. Stephens Parish, King and Queen, Virginia
• Son of John Madison Sr and Mary (Unknown) Madison
• Brother of Henry Madison, Mary (Madison) Nicholson and Ann (Madison) Stodghill
• Husband of Isabella (Minor) Madison — married 1690 in King and Queen County, Virginia

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Family

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Madison-15

John Madison (the 2nd) married Isabella circa 1680 at VA. Their children (surname Madison) include:[5]

1. John III - b. between 1680 and 1685, d. before 5 Nov 1734; m. Ann
2. Elizabeth - b. circa 1685, d. after 1741; m. John PENN Sr
3. Thomas - b. before 1694, d. 20 Jan 1754, Inv. 10 Jul 1755; m. Joanah
4. Ambrose - b. circa 1696, d. 27 Aug 1732; m. Frances TAYLOR
5. Henry - b. circa 1698, d. before Aug 1757; m. Elizabeth COLEMAN
6. Eleanor - b. circa 1704, d. before 22 Feb 1758; m. James COLEMAN
7. James - b. before 1707

NOTE: That his wife Isabella was born a Todd has been disputed.

"Isabella Todd, youngest child, b. in VA 1670; m. John Madison II, was dau of Ann Gousuch, b. at Walkern, Herts, Eng., Mar. 13, 1638/9, d. at 'Toddsbury,' Gloucester Co., VA, between May 24, 1694 and Nov. 10, 1697; m.(1) CAPT. THOMAS TODD, b. at Denton Co, Durham, Eng., d. at sea, 1676; He came to VA Feb. 22, 1653; m.pr. 30 May 1677, Ann Gorsuch, dau. of Rev. John & and Ann Lovelace Gorsuch, D.D. Ann dau of Sir William Lovelace, Knt. & Anne Barnes; The trace goes on to Charlemagne and of course beyond."

According to Madison researcher Robert Allen, Isabella was NOT daughter of Anne Gorsuch and Capt. Thomas Todd whose daughter was named Averilla and married someone else.[3]

In Ambrose Madison's will, probated in 1732, he left land to his heirs, and to four men - James Coleman, Daniel Stodgill, Francis [ ]s, and David Roach - whom some researchers believe to be the husbands of Ambrose's sisters. (Virginia Genealogist. Vol. 26. pp. 286-287.) David Roach was an overseer for Ambrose Madison, apparently on the Brookesby tract, 10,000 acres of land Ambrose Madison owned with several partners. Other historians believe that the mention of David Roach in Ambrose Madison's will was only as payment for his services as overseer. (Letter from Ann Miller. Orange County
Historical Society. January 20, 1995.) Until further information can be found, the Madison have been included in this genealogy.

[Isabella's children were Leah Todd Stoddard Barclay, Ambrose Madison, Isabella Abney born Madison, and Elizabeth Anne Penn born Madison, Catherine Gaines born Madison]

John Madison, the second of that name in Virginia, and his wife, Isabella Minor Todd, had a son, Ambrose (d. 1732), who married Frances Taylor (1700–1761) in 1721. Frances Taylor was a daughter of James Taylor (ca. 1674–1729), probably the second rather than the third of that name in Virginia, and of his wife, Martha Thompson (1679–1762). The son of Ambrose and Frances Taylor Madison was James Madison, Sr. (1723–1801), the father of JM.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-01-02-0063-0001

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d000...

John MADISON II

1663 - AFT 1717

ID Number: I11082

OCCUPATION: Sheriff Of K&Q Co. VA 1704

RESIDENCE: St. Stephen Parish, K&Q Co. VA

BIRTH: 1663, St. Stephen's Parish, K&Q, VA

DEATH: AFT 1717, St. Stephen Parish, K & Q Co. VA

RESOURCES: See: [S273] [S650] [S1989] [S2481]

Father: John MADISON I

Mother: Marie AMBROSE (WIDOW)

Family 1 : Isabella Minor? TODD?

MARRIAGE: ABT 1692

Ann MADISON

+Ambrose MADISON

+Elizabeth Ann MADISON

+John MADISON III

Henry MADISON

+Eleanor MADISON

James MADISON

+Roger MADISON

Notes

A land patent to William Lea in 1714 indicates he may have owned and run a mill. Military service: Sheriff of King and Queen Co. VA Source for his group sheet: "Hawkeye Heritage" Iowa Genealogy Soc. In The Compendium Of American Genealogy,page 340 ( volume ?) it lists "7-John, m. Isabel Minor Todd. also unk Madison child b abt 1706.

1704 VA Rent Rolls: Maddison Jno King & Queen County, 1704

He was sheriff of King and Queen Co VA from 1685 to 1715.

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married in King and Queen Co VA

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http://hindskw.com/KennethHinds/3831.html

from many genforum messages:

He seems to be John Madison Jr. His father is probably John Maddison/Madison b abt 1625 d 1684-04-04 married Maria Ambrose.

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This RootsWeb entry has him as one of the children of John Madison I and Maria Ambrose. It shows his children with Isabella as

1. Henry Madison 1681 King & Queen Co VA

2. Thomas Madison c1694 King & Queen Co VA

3. Eleanor Madison c1694 King & Queen Co VA

4. Elizabeth Madison c1696 King & Queen Co VA

5. John Madison III c1698 King & Queen Co VA

6. Ambrose Madison c1700 King & Queen Co VA

7. Unknown Madison c1700 King & Queen Co VA

8. Jean Madison c1700 King & Queen Co VA

9. James Madison c1707 King & Queen Co VA

10. Roger Madison c1714 VA

2 Thomas married Susannah Henry. children:

2.1. Sarah Madison 1719

[is this right?]

3 Eleanor Mary married James Coleman. children:

3.1. Ambrose Coleman c1740

5 John Madison III known as "the Clerk" married Eliza Minor. children:

5.1. Humphrey Madison b: 1730

John III then married Agatha Strother. children:

5.2. Thomas Madison born Hanover Co. VA

5.3. Elizabeth "Eliza" Madison 1765?

5.4. James Madison 1749-08-27

5.5. George Madison 1766?

5.6. Rowland Madison 1759

5.7. Margaret Madison

5.8. William Strother Madison

5.9. Gabriel Madison

6 Ambrose Madison married Frances Taylor. children:

6.1. James Madison 1723-03-27 Spotsylvania Co VA d 1801-02-29 (?) Orange Co. VA

6.2. Elizabeth Madison 1724-06-14

6.3. Frances Madison 1726-03-06

[Frances Taylor's brother Zachary was the grandfather of President Zachary Taylor]

6.1 James married 1749-09-11 Eleanor Rose Conway 1732-01-09 Port Conway VA. children:

6.1.1. [President] James Madison 1751-03-05 Port Conway, King George Co VA d 1836-06-28 Orange Co VA

6.1.2. Francis Madison 1753-06-18

6.1.3. Ambrose Madison 1753-01-27

6.1.4. Catlett Madison 1758-02-10

6.1.5. Eleanor Conway "Nellie" Madison 1760-02-14 Montpelier, Orange Co VA

6.1.6. William Taylor Madison 1762-05-01

6.1.7. Sarah Catlett Madison 1764-08-17

6.1.8. Frances Taylor Madison 1774-10-04

6.2 Elizabeth married John Willis. children:

6.2.1. Mary Madison Willis (1745-12-18) married Col William Daingerfield

Elizabeth then married Col Richard Beale. children:

6.2.2. Anne Beale married John W Willis

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This page has a large number of descendants of John II Madison. Its list of children for him does not include 4 Elizabeth or 8 Jean from the list above. 7 Unknown is given as Eleanor.

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Another researcher has written that 7 Unknown is Mary Madison 1701 d 1776 m 1731 Samuel Brockman.

References

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Madison-15 cites
• 1. Genealogy.com, discussion list, Robert Allen, "John Mad(d)isons of VA," 3 Apr 2000.[1]
• 2. Genealogy.com, discussion list, Margaret Amundson, "Ambrose Madison (Halifax County Virginia)," 13 Sep 2006.[2]
• 3. Robert Allen, "Madisons of Colonial Virginia (Revised)," (article, San Jose, CA, 6 Dec 2002), p 5-6.
• 4.Gary Boyd Roberts, compiler, Ancestors of American Presidents, (Santa Clarita CA: Carl Boyer 3rd in cooperation with NEHGS, 1995), p 10; giving d. 1728.
• 5. Margaret R Amundson, "Who Did Elizabeth Taliaferro, Daughter of Margaret French and Robert Taliaferro, Marry?," The Virginia Genealogist, (AmericanAncestors.org: NEHGS, 1997), (1997), 41:13 footnote; giving "John2 Madison and Isabella his wife had at least five sons, John, Ambrose, Henry, Thomas, and Roger. Several daughters are attributed to them also. One may have been a daughter who married a Camp."
• Source: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
• Source: "Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, v. II, Gen.Pub. Co., Inc., p. 178."
• “The Madison Family Tree,” Founders Online, National Archives (http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-01-02-0063-0001 [last update: 2016-03-28]). Source: The Papers of James Madison, vol. 1, 16 March 1751 – 16 December 1779, ed. William T. Hutchinson and William M. E. Rachal. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1962, pp. 4–6.
• Excerpts from Pres. James Madison's personal notes re his beginnings.
• Named in account book of 1726-7
• https://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/trees/104095/I1244/john-madison/i... cites
• a. Note:   Gary Boyd Roberts. Ancestors of American Presidents. Cal. 1989. p. 8
• b. Note:   Register of Land Office Richmond. Patent Book 12. p. 39
• https://famouskin.com/family-group.php?name=9339+james+madison&ahnum=4 cites
• 1 Meade, Bishop , Old Churches, Ministers and Families of Virginia, Vol. II , Philadelphia: J. B. Lippincott & Co. (1857) , 96, Google Books (Digital Library).
• 2 Todd, George Iru, ed. , The Todd Family in America or the Descendants of Christopher Todd 1637-1919 , Northampton, Massachusetts: Press of Gazette Printing Co. (1920) , 12, Google Books (Digital Library).
• 3 Tyler, Lyon G., ed. , William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, Vol. 09 , Richmond, VA: Whittet & Shepperson (1901) , 38-39.
• 4 Wikipedia , "Ambrose Madison" , (accessed 12/19/2011).
• http://www.teachergenealogist007.com/2010/01/cox-132-133.html

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GEDCOM Note

Family Collection Data

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History of John Maddison, Jr (c. 1655 - c. 1725) by Garry Bryant

John Maddison, Jr Ship carpenter, Justice of Peace, Sheriff, Knight of the Golden Horseshoe (c. 1655 - c. 1725)

John Mad(d)ison, Jr., ship carpenter, was the son of John Maddis

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Knights of the Golden Horseshoe: 1716 On 12 June 1716 “the Governor was pleased to inform [the Council] that some discoverys have lately been made by the Rangers of a Passage over the Great Mountains to the Westward of this Colony, & that

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Never married Susanna Wool no proof

Note: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=5692732&pid=...

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From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

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b.The first of the name in Virginia, Joh

b.The first of the name in Virginia, John Madison, patented land in Gloucester County in 1653. His son John was the father of Amabrose, who married Frances, Daughter of James Taylor, Aug. 29th, 1721. ["Notes on Culpeper County, Va.," I, p. 74.]

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Life Sketch

John Madison, Jr. was a sheriff and major landowner in Colonial Virginia. He is the father of Ambrose Madison, the grandfather of James Madison, Sr., and the great-grandfather of President James Madison.

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