Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA - Were you once connected to Donald J. Trump and now you're not?

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  • From pages 250-251 of the History of the Macleods, which you will find the full text as a PDF in the media section. It indicates Donald Macleod of Bernera was generally spoken as "The Old Trojan" and he was married three times. Donald Macleod of Bernera was generally spoken as "The Old Trojan" and he was married three times as follows: Wife #1: Anne. Page 250 reads, "Donald married, first, when only 18 years of age, Anne, daughter of Roderick Macleod, XVII. of Macleod, by his wife Isabel, daughter of Kenneth, third Earl of Seaforth, by his wife, also Isabel, sister of George, first Earl of Cromarty." Wife #2: Margaret Macdonald. Page 253 reads" "He married, secondly, Margaret Macdonald, described as "a daughter of John Macdonald Gorm Macdonald of Sleat." They lived together for nineteen years, without issue." Wife #3: Margaret, daughter of Rev. Donald Macloed, III, Of Greshornish. Page 253 reads: "Donald Macleod of Bernera married, thirdly, in the 75th year of his age, Margaret, daughter of the Rev. Donald Macleod, III. of Greshornish, and minister of Duirinish. She was then only sixteen years of age. By this marriage Donald had issue, in his old age—three sons and six daughters.
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"who finds out that they are not direct relatives of US President Donald John Trump"....

I guess this would be true if Donald Trump had his dna done and a conclusion was made that he was actually from some kind of alien being. Until that happens, "us people" will continue to research and have discussions pertaining to the matter. I don't think you have a "sincere" bone in your body.

"fake news and facts".... isn't that a definition for propaganda? Don't even go there.

I believe Donald Trump is now my 12th cousin four times removed wife's great nephew.

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Please stop spamming Geni with the thoroughly discredited and debunked clickbait article from Iceland.

From https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/donald-trump...

“Trump’s international origins make him relatively unusual among American presidents. Of the last 10 presidents, only two—Trump and Barack Obama—have had a parent born outside of the United States. ...”

From https://www.scottishroots.com/people/donald.php

“Given the harsh economic realities of life in such isolated communities of subsistence farming and fishing, it is little wonder that numerous Lewismen (and women) emigrated as the land simply could not sustain the growing population. Clearly there was a better life for them in the new world.”

From https://famouskin.com/family-tree.php?name=55406+donald+trump

“While I currently don't know of any famous kin for Donald Trump outside of his immediate family, his paternal grandparents are from Kallstadt, Germany. It is through them that Donald Trump is said to be a distant cousin of German film director Simone Wendel. Among the films that she directed is Kings of Kallstadt, a documentary about the town and some of the famous descendants of its former residents, including the Trump family and the Heinz Ketchup family.”

So that’s a direction to look in for genealogists seeking Trump connections.

Woodrow Wilson's wife Ellen Louise Wilson, First Lady is my 7th cousin 3x removed. The only way I believe I may be blood to Woodrow Wilson (since Wilson line is a dead end) is thru his Woodrow line. That line eventually leads up to Campbell....which may, or may not, be blood to me.

Funny how I was once blood to Trump until he got cut from my Campbell line.

I'm happy he isn't a blood relative...it would be refreshing if Trump was cut from my line!

Erica, I am aware that curators here on Geni have taken kindly to the Gary Boyd Roberts theory; however, my understanding is that there are still two unproven theories: one for and one against a royal pedigree for Donald J. Trump with Gary Boyd Roberts opposing the link to noble lines.

Could you please tell me how the Icelandic genealogist has been discredited? I missed that somehow. I was under the impression that there were two genealogical theories and that neither has been proven nor disproven. They are theories which may not match up to the world tree on Geni.com

This is not about curators, this is about evidence. It’s already been shown to you, in excruciating detail, where the pedigree cited in the Icelandic newspaper breaks. It’s not a “competing theory,” it’s a total and complete mixup between two very different Donald MacLeods.

If you want to believe an army officer living in Thurso was the same person as a crofter on the Isle of Lewis, go ahead. But please spare the rest of us.

I have now lost patience with this topic & will report any further attempts to get Geni to look at nonsense.

This is the known & sourced article / tree, Geni profiles tagged to the document:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000097609582064&amp

This person is not in the Trump tree:

Commissary Donald MacLeod, of Whitefield near Thurso

His daughter was Catherine Elisabeth Macleod

She married William Telford, of Skerry

This has been explained before.

I don’t know how to make it any clearer.

I mean this sincerely:

Community college courses in your home state cost less than $50/credit. If you are serious about genealogy, enroll in your local one and take some introductory courses on history, research methodology, and working with sources.

You may not realize it, but you have had multiple academics here try to help you understand these things. You need more intensive help than we can provide through Geni -- which is fine, and not something to be ashamed of -- and doing some coursework will help you understand where your methods are failing you and how you can correct that.

I hope you will take this advice in the spirit that it's intended. As with Erica, I am no longer willing to engage, but I wish you the best with your future genealogy endeavours.

See my explanation here for Commissary Donald MacLeod's daughter: https://www.geni.com/discussions/198577?msg=1310368

I think it's worth pointing out that it gets even simpler than this.

There are NOT " two unproven theories: one for and one against". That's a basic misunderstanding about the nature of evidence.

There is one unproven theory FOR, but there is not a theory against. What is being called a theory AGAINST is just a statement of FACT that the "theory for" is unproven.

This is not a particularly difficult concept. It should be second nature to all but the most inexperienced genealogists.

Dear team Geni:
#1: I appreciate that Tamás Caldwell-Gilbert sticks to the facts and does not produce public harsh judgement on me.
#2: My investigation in the tree does NOT have to do with Commissary Donald MacLeod, nor His daughter was Catherine Macleod
nor William Telford mentioned above. This is perhaps where we have a misunderstanding?
#3: If you wish to ignore me that is preferable than engaging in judgement on me.
#4: Are any of you certified genealogists? I'm armed with a couple of degrees and I'm not heading back to college any time soon, but wanted to thank you for the inspiration.

You do not need to reply. I am apologizing in advance for upsetting anyone. I mean no ill-will. I'm simply a dyslexic and out of the box thinker (like Trump and George W. Bush). My brain is wired differently. I choose strength, not shame in my vulnerability. If you are dyslexic, watch this, but it's not about dyslexia it's about empowerment you can confront in shame: https://benfoss.com/

Peace out

Hey....can anyone please show on here the profile for Johann Freund (b.-bef.1799) managed by Tobias Rachor (C) ?

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Re: My investigation in the tree does NOT have to do with Commissary Donald MacLeod, nor His daughter was Catherine Macleod
nor William Telford mentioned above. This is perhaps where we have a misunderstanding?

Totally and completely at a loss as to what you mean, what your question is, or are looking for, then.

You’ve been on about an alternate theory as delineated in an erroneous pedigree. That pedigree breaks at Catherine MacLeod and assigning her a father Donald MacLeod of Thurso. There’s no possible Mis read of the article nor a possible way it is correct.

If that’s not your question, what is?

Diana Collins there are 11 of them, most managed by Tobias

https://www.geni.com/search?search_advanced=open&search_extende...=

So you’ll need to be more specific.

Ok...well...I actually searched for "Johann Andreas Freund"...but got nothing. I then left off the Johann and just searched Andreas Freund. That is when "Johann Freund (b.-bef.1799)" popped up. He would have been married to a "Maria Elisabetha Unverzagt", but the wife for the one that popped up says "Anna Margaretha". "Johann Michael Freund" is the one that should have been married to a "Anna Margaretha Voltz". Am I confusing you?

Diana Collins

is this the profile? Johann Freund

As for the profiles mentioned, the Cristian MacLeod's may very well be the same person, but we disconnected them a short while ago because we were unsure of the exact connection and the proof behind that. See in the about sections where they are linked to each other. I think that there was also a discussion of that split somewhere earlier in this discussion thread.

About Angus MacSween, yes, the family tree you linked does connect him to Henrietta, but other family trees imply that he immigrated to North Carolina (see the birth locations for his children.)

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~cummingsofscgen/Genealogy%20of%20the%20...

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/c/s/Virginia-M-Mcsween-NC/BOOK-0001...

On the family tree which you cited, Angus McSween's mother, Christian is also listed as having died in North Carolina: https://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&a... So that seems to be inline with the North Carolina migration found in other trees.

Angus' father and younger step-siblings also all moved to North America.

Yes, that is the profile.

Look at the source that I added to Christian MacLeod

It’s on the other profile - the one with husband and children.

When Roland Henry Baker, III and I originally went through the Roberts pedigree in March 2017, we hesitated at the the Margaret Cameron Mother, and decided to not link until / unless we could get further clarification; Roberts seemed ambivalent about it.

When Ashley & I redid the pedigree a couple of weeks ago, we thought - OK let’s add. But the same issues came up
Again — was it Margaret MacLeod or Margaret Cameron? Donald’s Marriage says Cameron but her death notice says MacLeod ! (See that tree attached documents). Was her name Christian or Catherine, they are “not” analogous names ! Additionally with a c 1809 Birth date unfortunately she’s not captured in parent census reports; by the 1840, the earliest available, she was married in her husband’s household.

Tamas pointed out these discrepancies, and that until her death certificate is found, perhaps, we cannot in good conscience claim we know her parents.

So your options currently are:

- wait for more info to be published by Boyd’s team [my approach]
- write to them asking what they meant [you may or may not get an answer, and I don’t have contact info]
- Buy the possible death certificates from Scotland People. Tamas warns that’s expensive, and that there are several possibilities.

So, they’re linked within.

Oddur F. Helgason hasn't published anything in a peer reviewed genealogical journal. What he did post is a pedigree in a online popular culture website Iceland Monitor:
https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/culture_and_living/2017/01/24/do...
That's like a step up from the National Enquirer I suppose but not exactly an academic journal. To call it a theory would be generous. It includes a graphic of the pedigree without a single citation. Not a shred of evidence to support his claim is seen. Nothing was peer reviewed. It is click-bait at best. Christian? Catherine? MacLeod? Cameron? Nobody knows... Does this sound like it meets the accepted level of genealogical proof?

I recommend contacting HOFPFLA and getting a copy of issue 14 of Executive Papers if you want to research this further. Their contact information is here:

http://www.presidentsandfirstladies.org/contact.htm

Good luck with your research!

I completely agree with Roland Henry Baker, III, but I do not think that some of them here cares about sources and knows about historical methodology and history theory. If they did, they would not come up with these fantastic/fantasy lineages!

Just out of curiosity, any of these names tie in.... page 22...

https://books.google.com/books?id=J_ovAAAAYAAJ&lpg=RA3-PA22&amp...

Oh gee, guess what they recommend for US Presidential genealogy?

Hint: it’s not the Iceland Monitor.

http://www.presidentsandfirstladies.org/biblio.htm

Diana Collins

No ministers on Isle of Lewis. Too small & isolated; in fact part of the problem: minister’s only came to visit now & again, so lack of Baptism records.

You are not going to find these families in books. Most recent census reports to understand the family, and then work backwards, step at a time, documenting at each step.

No ministers...back how far?

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