Barbara Baer (supposed wife of Hans Jacob Thome)

Erica Howton, Jim Wile, help needed. Ancestry.com is all over the place on this topic, and original records do not seem available.

I realized that the the dates for David and Jacob Jr. were inconsistent with their proposed parents in Switzerland. I also noticed that one of the Augusta passengers (aged 34) was named "Jacob Paire", and that he was rendered "Jacob Barr" in the other lists. Therefore I believe Barbara emigrated with her brother and his wife and sons (David and Jacob "Whiskey"). The generations were collapsed, as does happen, sometime later, and we lost the name of Jacob b.1702's wife.

If this is correct, David and Jacob "Whiskey" were indeed born in Switzerland, not Lancaster County or Virginia. Erica Howton

Maybe chase up the brother’s in law family for insight

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57585857/adam-miller

And also literature on Jagly Barr.

I think you’re getting it right with the “generation collapse,” ie, the children of Jagly Barr born early 1700s, emigrated with him & their families (Barbara, David & Jacob) in the 1730s (as we saw elsewhere not necessarily on the same ship though). So the next gen including Whiskey Barr (great Name) born prior to emigration. Supporting this theory is that we know the big exodus was in response to the devastation of the 30 years war & took place in the mid 1730s. So 1724 is simply too soon to have been born on this side.

This is getting tangled.

Note this poor woman:

Anna Barbara Frederick

She's married in Geni to two different Hans Jacob Baer's, and has two overlapping families. She's either very resilient or only married to one of them in practice.

Now, both are supposedly brothers, which is also odd, because their names are quite similar. But they wound up in very different places. Sigh.

I've looked at Ancestry.com info to remove Anna Barbara Frederick as parents of the Augusta immigrants. Jagli Jacob has plenty of wives to choose from so I picked another Barbara for the mother of his children, for now.
Clearly the Jagli branch is the one that went to Virginia so I'm pretty happy about who wound up associated with whom. Let's hope I've got it right.

I've now updated David and Whiskey's place of birth and left notes in their overviews. The sourcing for Whiskey's place of birth of Pennsylvania came only from Wikitree so I agree that this can be safely revised.

The possibility remains that "Whiskey" Barr is in fact Scottish and not from Switzerland at all, but let's leave that possibility on the table as an unexplored theory we won't try to answer here.

This closes the discussion thread unless anyone raises objections...