Charlemagne - New Path to User Tool

This is wonderful, but TMI for me, my paternal 18th GGF is my maternal 1st cousin 16xR or so, my parent's lineages cross too much, they shouldn't have married. lol, It's nice with the dual relationship check GENI has now, at least it makes some sense of my crazy lineage.

Crazy these reports show 100th or so so great-grandparents - this is a dream tree? This broke the monotony of adding documentation to my endless Nixon lineage.

the tool is awesome
thank Randy
xox

Randy Schoenberg
What a great tool! But, where’s the code # for the projects?
Thanks Randy

The number for the projects is at the very end of the url/internet address of the project.

For example, for https://www.geni.com/projects/Carolingian-Dynasty/41 enter the number 41 .

My frustration, as always, is that the relationships link to my second cousin’s ex-husband

That is such an awesome tool! Thanks Randy.

Glad people are enjoying the new app.

Great Tool! Shame about the useless searches!

Hi Randy

I would enjoy it if I could make it work. I think the tool is great in presenting the geni.com searches but the geni.com searches are wrong. Here's what happens - and this is not a fault of the tool but of the geni.com searches:

1. I put in the project number and my email.
2. I get a message saying no blood relationship, no in-law relationship.
3. I check manually and get the same messages.

But I remember my cousin Lyn Roselofsky Lewis saying nearly two years ago that Charlemagne was a multi-great-grandfather so I check that. geni.com shows Charlemagne is his 42nd great-grandfather. I suspect that I am related too.

I find the closest common relative (Rachel Mozes Haring (Pereira Mendoza)). She is my third great aunt (married to my great uncle on my maternal grandfather's side) and she is Lynn's second great grandmother. When I click on my great uncle, the link breaks and there is 'no blood relationship, no in-law relationship' from me to my great uncle.

At this point I would usually write to help at geni.com and in about ten days I will get a message that the problem has been sorted but this is a ridiculous way to work. I am pursuing this because I know that I must be related to Charlemagne too.

Twenty minutes later I recheck Rachel Mozes Haring (Pereira Mendoza) and discover that she is now also a blood relative through my maternal grandmother's side (6th cousin 4 times removed). That was not shown twenty minutes earlier.

Now I try to walk the path. Forty minutes later, my mother is related to Charlemagne, my sister is related to Charlemagne, my niece is related to Charlemagne and I am not. My sister is Charlemagne's great-grandson's first cousin 9 times removed. I should be the same. According to geni.com no path was found.

It's a geni fault. This always happens at the end of my attempts to walk the path. The last step (from my mother or sistter) does not continue the path. It takes me to my profile page and does not connect to the starting point of the path. I know that if I write and complain in ten days time it will be made to work by somebody at geni.com but it means that geni.com is not a serious work tool for me. I might even receive some patronising messages about paths changing with time but it's interesting that they didn't change as I walked the 13 steps of the path to my mother or the 14 steps to my sister. If I complain I get nonsensical messages about geni being about creating a world tree and not about individual trees as if creating a world tree with wrong or missing connections is a good thing.

So now I know that my immediate blood relatives are related to Charlemagne but geni cannot find a path to me. That means I get discouraged from doing searches where I think or even know that there is a connection but geni is no showing it. So far I have wasted well over an hour on this and still have to write to geni.com and wait, probably ten days for it to be fixed. It also means that I cannot trust messages about no connection being found.

Sorry to take so long on this but I am guessing that this happens to other people and that they believe it when they are told no relationship has been found.

Bernard

Sadly, I tend to agree with @BernardMiller. I did it "for fun" and Charlemagne showed as an indirect relative no blood relation, yet when I do the regular "shortest path to blood relative" he is my 34th grandfather. He is a grandfather to me on multiple lines as most of us find in the Royal trees if we can get enough accurate data fed in. After so many generations, we are all related.

Nope, maybe something for a Geni party conversation, but it needs some more work. It isn't picking up what Geni knows or it didn't for me. Best of luck in reformatting. I am sure it just takes some tweaking. Susanne

1.. after running ttp://p2u.wnx.com on project 41 - my recent Activity page showed:
Pépin III, King of the Franks is Peter Rohel (c)'s first cousin 50 times removed's husband's uncle's fiancée's fourth great nephew's wife's brother.

2.. Got my email which had: Charlemagne - No relationship found

3.. since Charlemagne is a son of Pépin III - I decided to go to the profile of Pépin III - and to his son Charlemagne - and the path between us was revealed.

Randy Schoenberg - am I missing something, or should the path to Charlemagne been found and listed in the email as Found ?

I think the old paths get cached and are not updated for some reason.

There is some kind of bug that won't change ever, unless it is investigated. For years there is same ancestor couple, that Geni always checks the fathers side, not the mothers, so all those late ancestors that are direct ancestors, are shown as red line "husbands greatgrandfathers cousins". And then I have to go to my x great grandmothers profile and one by one check the line up. After I do that couple of times, the program remembers it for that day. Another day the situation remains same. Now at least I have noticed where the program does it and who is the ancestor couple. It has been like this for years.

Private User if you can give us the specific profiles, we can test it for you.

Yes, thank you. I sent you a message. Kiitos paljon Randy Schoenberg

Tested and it works properly. Path just had to be refreshed.

Yes now it does, but the program forgets the line and for some reason chooses always that same male ancestor and his other wifes connection and shows paths through them, weird little bug, now at least know where the line bends. Thank you for testing.

On a lot of the profiles it comes back as non-blood related but on a one to one level through Geni it comes back correct and shows a lot of them are my ancestors. It's only when I use this program that it gives me non-straight line links like Saga says.

I know what @Saga is speaking of and have had it happen to me. Bothersome and why I wish we could see multiple lines or connections some way. I would be tracing out someone on a line and when I get to the end punch "show connection" and it goes through another person to get back to me. I guess it may be the "shortest" but I was trying to mark the people in between to follow them on the "longer" route for various reasons.
Susanne

It's sort of a miracle that the relationship finder works as well as it does. It's a very complicated algorithm and takes up a lot of processing power. And I think you get to reset one path per week, or something like that. So sometimes you need to come back in a week and try to refresh the path.

Randy Schoenberg Sounds like my washing machine when the power goes out and comes back on. It starts beeping and like the computer it is now, I have to unplug it, let it rest, and reboot. I get it. Still crazy when it does that. Susanne

The refresh button does not work, I have to climb up generation by generation few times to the 1300's, but that is how it is, it seems.

This new tool is quite nice new app and it showed the paths all correct, so it worked well for me.

Hallo Randy,
bitte kann ich das auch machen ?
Habe es versucht, aber bei mir funktioniert es nicht.
Würde mich freuen wenn Du mir hilfst.
Danke und liebe Grüße
Charlotte

The problems I get are similar to Saga's but on a large scale. I will be following a blood line step by step. Quite often I have checked the path between my starting point and the profile I am working towards and got a clear blood relationship so I know I am following a bloodline path. Suddenly the path breaks as I step from one profile to that person's parent or child and instead of a bloodline path I am related through four or five marriages (as I discovered early on, my parents are related via something like 14 marriages but the 14 marriage path is not the one I would usually refer to). I check the spouse of the profile and see that they are described as the spouse to the complex relationship. At that point there is nothing I as a user can do except send in a ticket to geni and wait (usually around 10 days) until someone somewhere at geni has reset something and the path is established.

As with Saga, often it does not 'stick'. It does not seem to matter where or when the profile that breaks the chain occurs historically or geographically. Sometimes, if I can establish a path via a different route, the correct path then comes up - without even having to wait a week. Sometimes it does not. It is the unpredictability and the time-wasting that I find upsetting. And if I know that someone is shown by geni as the father of the last blood relative I have checked, then I know that that person is also a blood relative (having checked that it is not the mother who is the blood relative).

I get messages back telling me that many of these problems arise because geni is building a big tree, not individual trees. If it is building a big tree that shows no blood connection where there is one, then it is useless and misleading.

I used the tool, pretty cool. For Queen Victoria it seems to be using my in-law relationship vs my shortest blood relationship. It says she is my third cousin thrice removed's wife's first cousin twice removed and that is true if you follow my dad's mom's side. However, if you follow my dad's father's side she is my 12th cousin four times removed. Seems to be doing the same with Queen Elizabeth II. :)

I like it because you set it and forget it, although I ran the other History report fast- it seemed to be exact - I didn't get inlaw relationships, which I care nothing about.

Find software that tricks Ancestry.com to give up their census reports and other data on SmartCopy! so I could get all the documents quickly to our profiles. I would be excited.

I learn a lot from in-law relationships. They can be great indicators of accuracy of relationships / associations between some families.

By the way, while I'm here: I wasn't satisfied with this off-site app, so I don't use it.

I am very happy with the Geni relationship calculator, and I've been telling all my genealogically minded friends about it.