John Ross of Ipswich - Too many John Ross or not enough of them?

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Seen as child of Daniel M Ross, Jr. & Mary J Gilchrist Perhaps related to Finlay “ Funell” Ross & Gilchrist “Kiticris” Ross Not the same as John Ross, of Malden (married Mary Barrett) or John Ross (married Mary Osborne).

See also https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000174711188976&...

Not exactly an answer to your question but this book does talk about the Ross's in Ipswich and other families. I put it to a page of Ross's. One of my Mysteries is an Alexander Ross Hill *born about 1814) and I highly suspect he came from a Ross family somewhere up his tree. Anyways....

https://archive.org/details/driverfamilygene1889cook/page/408/mode/2up

Hi,
I am confused now even more!, I was tracing the Ross family
For my Maternal side,, and grew suspicious of the fact that I
Was finding hints for a link to my Paternal side as well, then in looking at this, and trying to decipher it, I found DNA matches to link both sides in AncestryDNA
I have 24 Barrett matches, I also have gilchrist matches, and Doll matches,,,, I have no clue how to figure out how these links fit together, and or both John Ross’s????

Is this the Daniel Ross, of Windham you mean?

Hi Erica.

Just looked back at the great sources, so let me start again. I think the answer to the good question is not enough of the name John Ross. There are 3 of the name John Ross or Rosse on the New England Marriages before 1700 source about the right time. Some say John Ross of Ipswich on the source was a POW of Cromwell to Boston. I don't know. One prominent place had John Ross married to Mary Barret from the Battle of Dunbar, Scotland. He is on the marriage source too. Right Idea maybe but wrong battle. It was in England. And seen also from the New England early marriages was a John Rosse married to Mary Osborne in 1659. They were married in Boston, Suffolk County, MA.

Three Scots POWs arrived from England to Boston in 1651-2 by the name of Rosse or Rossi. The name Rosse is a Highland name while Rossi is probably Italian. I doubt that three Italians served with the Scottish forces.

So, we have 3 of the name John Rosse arriving in 1651, and 2 named John Ross and 1 John Rosse recorded as married a decade more or less later in Massachusetts. Interestingly all 3 had a wife named Mary or said to be Mary. How do we tell their families one from the other?

With the same Scots old spelling John Rosse (married to Mary Osborne) I think he needs consideration as well.

Geni.com associates with familytreedna.com -- I see they have a Scottish POW Project.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/scottish-po-ws/about/background

Battle of Dunbar, 1650:
Ross, Finlay
Ross, George
Ross, Gilchrist
Ross, James
Ross, John
Ross, Thomas
https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-wa...

Battle of Worcester - Ship John and Sara to Boston, 1651:
ROSS James --
ROSS James --
ROSS Jonas --
ROSSE David ROSS; ROSSI;
ROSSE John ROSSI
ROSSE John ROSSI;
ROSSE John ROSSI;
https://www.geni.com/projects/Passengers-of-the-ship-John-and-Sara-...
...

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If you look on the list of Rosses from the battle of Dunbar, Gilcrist Ross is there and John Ross. Gilcrist Ross is supposed to have a brother John married to Mary Barret. Check it out though as info for the Rosses varies some.

Once again, let me start over. This is an important subject. As to ethnicity, I don't know why it is not mentioned. However, the list of soldiers from the Battle of Dunbar includes just one John Ross, and several others are said to be brothers. Given that, John Ross could be Scots as that battle was in East Lothian near Edinburg, Scotland. I of course am not an expert on this subject but am somewhat familiar with it. But the John and Sara arrived in Boston with soldiers from the Battle of Worchester, England. Three with the name John were of the spelling Rosse (Rofse). That was a spelling used in Ross-shire, Scotland. I have seen it before. So, they could be Scots, but unknown. They might be from somewhere else.

The interest I have here is from a yDNA match to a man who has DNA matches to early Massachusetts.

1. John Ross of Ipswich.
From his profile, John Ross of Ipswich appears to have lived in Ipswich where his children were recorded as born through the early 1680's. Familysearch has Clerk records of many of his children. He had a son Jonathan born in Ipswich around 1680.
2. John Rosse of Charleston.
This seems to be a second John Rosse with a spelling of "Rosse." He had also had a son with similar name John born in Charleston in 1669. That spelling is with the Ship, John and Sara, although more is needed on that.
"John Rosse
Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001
Name:
John Rosse
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
12 Mar 1669
Event Place:
Charlestown, Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Event Place (Original):
Charlestown, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
John Rosse
Mother's Name:
Marie"
3. John Ross of Weymouth (or Boston).
This John Ross also has the distinctive spelling Rosse.
"John Rosse & Mary Osborne dau. of John Osborne of Weymo. md. by John Endecott Gov. 7th May [1659]"
http://dunhamwilcox.net/ma/boston_marr_1658.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Endecott

Erica Howton
That is a second record of a Barret married to a Ross from will of James Barret, July 8,1672. The first is from the New England Marriages Before 1700. John Ross and Mary Barret married in Charleston are mentioned as separate names from John Ross of Ipswich whose wife is not named. I have seen the 1669 birth record for John Ross and Mary of Charleston used to source the name of Mary. But I think Mary of Charleston, 1669 may be the same as Mary Barrett married at Charleston in the New England Marriages Before 1700...something to look at.

The Haggett family report a connection to Ipswich but I don't know the source. They also report a connection to Wendom, Massachusetts with Town Clerk records of children of Henry Haggett on Familysearch. Needs review.

For what it's worth, Ross of Westerly RI seems to be I-M223 or a possible subclade. Since they were found in association with known "deported Scots prisoner" descendants, they may share the same origin. (They are *not* descended from the Earls of Ross, though, and may possibly be vagrant Roses.)

A couple of non-Ross matches to my match were in Charleston and others west of that somewhat...some north. But my own yDNA is to the Rose of Kilravock, Scotland. We need yDNA from Massachusetts to compare. Deed records would be good...to get a better picture.

Helps a whole lot with Rose and Rhode Island. But I am not a DNA specialist. That will help us as well...thank you.

***If you are a male last-named Ross from the Massachusetts area, please consider a yDNA test from familytreeDNA. They associate with Geni.com.

Meanwhile, the Ipswich Ross have put a lot of time into their genealogy.

However, there is a sort-of shared tree by more than one Ross family with different wives and children and dates for a John Ross and Mary (usually Barrett) of Massachusetts that descends to a David Ross, Yeoman, b. abt. 1680 who migrated to Rhode Island where he deeded to Samuel Ross, Yeoman, who died in Rhode Island according to Find-a-Grave. Samuel I, Yeoman had a son Samuel II, husbandman...not deeded a lot of land and could have been mobile. Want to know where they all went.
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L1XG-D9V/john-dehaven-ross-16...

Other trees use this same David Ross down to Samuel of Rhode Island for John Ross and Mary Osborn. But Wiki Tree has a different version for Mary Osborn, and John Ross I want to review.

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My match is to a man whose first known ancestor was Samuel Ross b. about 1780 with family history (now DNA matches) to about that in MA. Samuel Ross was a Methodist preacher. That might be another similarity.

Long shot, but any chance of going back from the soldier(s) in Rhode Island they were with?

With the help of several people here we traced the Westerly line back to a William Ross Sr., birthplace highly uncertain, married and having children in Westerly, RI c 1688-1700, died in Westerly 1712. The Rosses were neighbors of the Lewises and (Mac)Coon(e)s, and intermarried with them as they dispersed through Connecticut, western Massachusetts, New York State, and points west. They weren't Methodists (or not at that time) - they were Seventh Day Baptists.

One branch got all the way out to Wisconsin before making U-turn and heading back to Boston, where hey dug in and stayed.

Here's founding father William Ross: William Ross, Sr.

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Of the names your Ross travelled with was a MaCoone(s) family. Found was a John MaCoone of the right age (1630 to 1705) who lived in Cambridge, Massachusettes, 3.3 miles from Charleston.

Some similarities to your good research linked above:

"John MacCoone is first recorded in Cambridge, Middlesex County, Massachusetts in 1651. Many researchers say that John MacCoone was a soldier during the English Civil War, on the losing Royalist/Scottish side against Oliver Cromwell..."
Two of his sons, John MacCoone, Jr. and Daniel moved to Westerly, Rhode Island."
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacCoone-14?msclkid=7351b55ea74411ec9...

This link has a MACKUNNELL as passenger of John and Sara. Closest I can find.
http://dunhamwilcox.net/ma/ma_scot_prisoners.htm?msclkid=36fcd44ea7...

Both MaCoone and MaCconnell are from Ayrshire from name sites. However, Wikitree says John Macoone was from Aberdeen, Scotland.

Here is an example of the sort-of shared-tree (with different John Rosses, wife Mary and son David of Rhode Island). This John Ross, however, looks properly sourced as Mary Barrett and John Ross(e) of Charleston, Suffolk, MA (New England Marriages before 1700).

John Ross, of Malden

David as child is not sourced as well as all of the wives, children,,etc.. Not reliable like that...needs work.

Here is a profile for John Ross and Mary Osborn, Mary of Weymouth, MA. The couple were married in Boston by the Governor, 1759. Mary Ross

YDNA would help to see if it is a DNA match to what I have.

For the record, there was a James Ross married to Mary Goodenow in 1658 at Sudbury, Middlesex, (New England marriages before 1700). Sudsbury is 23 miles inland from the east side of Boston.
James Ross