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John Gill, Jr. - Confusion in the line

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Friday, September 2, 2022
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I am reading in WIkitree, FAG memorials, Gill genealogy sites that there were "four" John Gill in the Revolutionary War era and genealogists have sorted them.

I am not showing related here or on Wikitree but FS and other public trees has shown me as an ancestral granddaughter so it is a line I am interested in getting correct at some point

Please see https://sciway3.net/clark/gill/childrenjohngill1733.html regarding John Gill, Sr.

"... Mr. John Cupit overwrote many of his records by hand, changing the c1733 to c1754, a generation later. I think it is clear from the documents sent to me by Mrs. Evalyn Gill, that Cupit himself overwrote the dates, as at least one of his later manuscripts has the later dates typewritten. Basically this problem may be summed up by stating that there is a generational ambiguity in these records. Tit for tat, DAR application 678003 of Mrs. Marva Lee Kyzar Reeves of Bogue Chitto, MS, crossed out Cupit's typed 1773 birth date for John Gill, II (MS) and hand wrote 1754 (DAR supporting documents file, Washington, D.C.), precisely the inverse of Mr. Cupit! In Cupit's papers, the following records are found: In "Gills Claimed by Lucie Gill Price to be Her Ancestors", Mrs. Kate Gill Elam did not assign a date for this man, but in one, "Uriah Gill Family", "as compiled by Mrs. Kate Elam", she states that John Gill, II, (MS) was born during the Revolutionary War. Mrs. Lucie Gill Price, in "Gills Claimed by Lucie Price to be Her Ancestors," claimed a 1733 date for John Gill MS-1. The First John Gill, John Gill, MS-1, could have been any of four identifiable John Gills: (1) John Gill born c1733 married Mary Jackson etc., (2) John Gill in Peyer im Hoff's company, (3) John Gill married Agnes Dick (who I believe was the same #2, the John Gill in Peyer im Hoff's company), or (4) John Gill of Barnwell..."

https://sciway3.net/clark/gill/marygillmarrjamesmartin.html
Elisa Alsa Gill Martin is supposed to be a cousin but shows no relationship path at this time.
The Wikitree profile for her has been abandoned but has her as wife of John 1754's "son" Dr John Gill 1733 which makes more sense
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gill-7272

I edited the About to remove some biased language but Elisa Alsa Gill Martin 's About says Alsa Gill married her cousin John H Gill, II on February 8, 1824, she will have the same last name.
We have the marriage Bond, Her father James Gill signed, brother of John Gill.
The Gill lineage is a very difficult lineage, it took several professional genealogists a few years to sort out working together for the lineages in SC and MS.
Please don't merge without checking with managers.
Best to follow DAR and documentation at this point. Thank you. Some people say she married this man although there is a 54-year difference in age?

The Wikitree profile for John 1754 says do NOT trust the DAR and the website explains why.

Still:
John Gill, Jr. is Alsey Martin (Gill)'s 1st husband.
No blood relationship was found.

And I 100% believe he married a DIFFERENT Alsey Gill rather than one 54 years younger than him.

Please note: https://www.sciway3.net/clark/gill/drjohngill.html
Confusion about birth date.
DAR site has 1754, but other sources say that's his father, and this John was born c. 1773.
"Dr." John Gill, II, born c1773?, probably the son of John Gill born c1754, died after 1825 and before 26 Sept. 1828) (DAR) married 4 times with children listed for each marriage, 3rd wife Elizabeth Faust (in DAR record), 4th wife his "cousin" Alsey Gill whom he married 8 Feb. 1824 in Lawrence Co., MS. She appears to have been the daughter of James Gill who signed the bond for the marriage along with James Martin (from John T. Cupit). James Martin married the widow Alsey Gill in 1830. His first two wives may have died in SC.

I added a profile for the son: Dr John H Gill

Does Alsey need moved to him as spouse?

DAR search for John Gill:

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Search Results 47 - Records Found (1 - 25 Displayed) (I only cut/paste names JOHN GILL.

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044693
Service: VIRGINIA Rank(s): PRIVATE
Birth: CIRCA 1750 SCOTLAND
Death: ANTE 10-16-1788 MERCER CO KY DIST VIRGINIA
Service Source: HARDING, GEORGE ROGERS CLARK & HIS MEN, P 188
Service Description: 1) CAPT JOHN DOUGHERTY, GEN GEORGE ROGERS CLARK
2) LINCOLN CO MILITIA

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044688
Service: SOUTH CAROLINA Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE, LIEUTENANT
Birth: ANTE 1747
Death: 1797 CHESTER CO PINCKNEY DIST SOUTH CAROLINA
Service Source: SALLEY & WATES, STUB ENTRIES TO INDENTS, BOOK W, LIBER W # 320; SC ARCH, ACCTS AUD #2830, PART 1
Service Description: 1) FURNISHED WAGON & TEAM
2) WAS A HORSEMAN DROVER, 1781

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044682
Service: PENNSYLVANIA Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: 1748 CO DOWN ULSTER IRELAND
Death: 1-9-1822 VERSAILLES TWP ALLEGHENY CO PENNSYLVANIA
Pension Number: R4020
Service Source: PA ARCH, 3RD SER, VOL 20, PP 155, 288, 564
Service Description: 1) PAID SUPPLY TAX, 1779, 1780, 1782

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044681
Service: PENNSYLVANIA Rank(s): PRIVATE
Birth: CIRCA 1727
Death: 1783 WASHINGTON CO PENNSYLVANIA
Service Description: 1) CAPT JOSEPH JENKINS, COL DAVID JENKINS
2) 10TH BATT, LANCASTER CO MILITIA

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044679
Service: SOUTH CAROLINA Rank(s): CIVIL SERVICE, PATRIOTIC SERVICE, SOLDIER
Birth: CIRCA 1752 PENNSYLVANIA
Death: ANTE 4-12-1791 CHESTER DIST SOUTH CAROLINA
Service Source: SC ARCH, ACCTS AUD #2830 PART 2; JURY LISTS OF SC, P 54; SALLEY & WATES, STUB ENTRIES TO INDENTS, BOOK I, LIBER I # 262
Service Description: 1) HORSEMAN, CAPTS MILLS, COOPER, MCRAE, PETIT
2) JUROR 1778-9; FURNISHED SUPPLIES

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044675
Service: MASSACHUSETTS Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: 5-17-1732 CHARLESTOWN SUFFOLK CO MASSACHUSETTS
Death: 8-26-1785 BOSTON SUFFOLK CO MASSACHUSETTS
Service Source: FROTHINGHAM, HIST OF THE SIEGE OF BOSTON, P 236; THOMAS, HIST OF PRINTING IN AMERICA, PP 134-138
Service Description: 1) IMPRISONED FOR PRINTING TREASON, SEDITION & REBELLION, 1775

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044674
Service: MASSACHUSETTS Rank(s): SERGEANT
Birth: 4-19-1747 HINGHAM MASSACHUSETTS
Death: 3-2-1827 WINCHENDON MASSACHUSETTS
Service Description: 1) ALSO CPL, CAPTS HERSEY, STOWERS
2) COLS LOVELL, WHITNEY

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044673
Service: MASSACHUSETTS Rank(s): CAPTAIN
Birth: 5-28-1748 SALISBURY MASSACHUSETTS
Death: 11-8-1804 PRINCETON MASSACHUSETTS
Service Description: 1) LCOL THOMAS CRAFT, 6TH CO

GILL, JOHN Ancestor #: A044671
Service: CONNECTICUT Rank(s): PRIVATE
Birth: 1724 NEW HAVEN CONNECTICUT
Death: 1807 HAMDEN CONNECTICUT
Service Description: 1) CAPT BLACKMAN, COL SHERBURN

GILL, JOHN JR Ancestor #: A044672
Service: MARYLAND Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: 2-4-1737 BALTIMORE CO MARYLAND
Death: 9-23-1822 BALTIMORE CO MARYLAND
Service Source: MSA, M977, INDEX TO OATHS OF FIDELITY, 1776-1778; MSA, ROLL #SCM871-22, 1783 ASSESSMENT REC, BALTIMORE CO, P 7
Service Description: 1) SIGNED OATH OF ALLEGIANCE, 1778; PAID SUPPLY TAX, 1783

GILL, JOHN JR Ancestor #: A044677
Service: NEW JERSEY Rank(s): SOLDIER
Birth: 7-16-1758 HADDONFIELD NEW JERSEY
Death: 10-13-1838 HADDONFIELD NEW JERSEY
Service Description: 1) CAPT JOHN STOKES, COL JOSEPH ELLIS
2) GLOUCESTER CO MILITIA

GILL, JOHN JR Ancestor #: A044690
Service: SOUTH CAROLINA Rank(s): CORPORAL
Birth: 1754 CRAVEN CO SOUTH CAROLINA
Death: ANTE 1-4-1828 LAWRENCE CO MISSISSIPPI
Service Source: NARA, M881, COMP MIL SERV RECS, ROLL #882
Service Description: 1) COL WILLIAM THOMPSON, 3RD REGT,CL,1778

GILL, JOHN SR Ancestor #: A044685
Service: SOUTH CAROLINA Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: CIRCA 1730 VIRGINIA
Death: POST 2-17-1785 CAMDEN DIST SOUTH CAROLINA
Service Source: SALLEY & WATES, STUB ENTRIES TO INDENTS, BOOK I, P 47, #261; SC ARCH, ACCTS AUD #2831
Service Description: 1) FURNISHED MATERIAL AID

GILL, JOHN SR Ancestor #: A044676
Service: NEW JERSEY Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: 12-7-1721 HADDONFIELD NEW JERSEY
Death: 1796 HADDONFIELD NEW JERSEY
Service Description: 1) COMMISSIONER OF THE LOAN OFFICE
2) GLOUCESTER CO, 1776-79

GILL, JOHN SR Ancestor #: A215657
Service: MARYLAND Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: 10-2-1709 BALTIMORE CO MARYLAND
Death: ANTE 1-21-1797 BALTIMORE CO MARYLAND
Service Source: MSA, M977, INDEX TO OATHS OF FIDELITY, 1776-1778; MSA, ROLL #SCM871-22, 1783 ASSESSMENT REC, BALTIMORE CO, P 7
Service Description: 1) TOOK OATH OF FIDELITY, 1778; PAID SUPPLY TAX, 1783

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