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She is member of 16.896 projects and seems not to do most of the work...? Is she just looking around what we are doing? I personally do not like it to be shadowed in my Geni-work. What about YOU? Maybe that's why she wears sunglasses...? As I do most work for profiles in the Netherlands, Europe, I stopped the collaboration, for what can workaholic Americans tribute to our ancestry?

I believe she is for real. According to Geni she's my 12th cousin once removed . Oddly, she is also very distantly connected to my husband's family, and we have entirely different heritages. That far back I can understand her being linked to so many "projects". What I don't like is that she sets profiles of long deceased ancestors as Private. I have sent her a requestvto review her tree and mark the deceased profiles as Public.

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Hello:
I have no idea who she might be either.
Greg

She's supposedly my cousin too. Very weird that she's involved in everything.

I do not dislike working with Americans, I do a lot. But if I can't see any reason they want to be part of any project page, I think it odd. At the moment you see someone attributes also to the work done in specific projects, they are MORE THAN WELCOME! And about communication: she never ever gave a reason why she should be added to 'my' projects...

And in a time with so much artificial intelligence and avators in social media, we also have to be aware of that risk in Geni...

Mary King and I exchanged a series of productive messages yesterday. She is very much "into" her genealogy and protective of the information she enters. She changed profiles to private so other Geni users can't change the information she "knows" to be right. if anyone knows how to make her an MP or curator of her records so we can see them and only edit with her approval, that would solve a lot of issues.

Private User,
What do you have against others joining "your" projects regardless of their reason or no reason given??? Once a project is created it is there for anyone to join or collaborate on. Most people join if they have someone they can add to it now or just in case in the possible future. Who are you to judge why a person wants to join or collaborate on a project or how may projects the person belongs to. I would hate to think how many projects the curators belong to and yet haven't had to added anyone to!!!

I have worked on many cause of death and medically related projects for Mary so know that she is actively involved with all branches of her family tree and others she helps with.

Private User, I've worked with Mary on several projects; projects that no one else had put forward until she created them. What does being American or not American have to do with anything? Americans have ancestors too. Where one is born and to whom are an immutable facts... Why attack them? You're suppositions are unfounded and not presented very well.

I experienced --working dayly in Geni SINCE 2010-- that very many NON-Europeans have no experience AT ALL in working on projects that are very based on OUR history and why should someone be part of more than SIXTY-THOUSAND PROJECTS if in a lifetime she will not be able to contribute with the knowlede that is necessary to find & UNDERSTAND what is written in the ORIGINAL SOURCES. Yes, a lot of non-experienced 'genealogists' also here in Geni are very eager to put in data from other genealogy-sites like FamilySearch of even private-trees from MH, but that does NOT mean they are working in a professional way. And here in our country we are working VERY HARD to avoid those often false contributions to our Dutch ancestry, for they are frustrating the very big input of some of my Dutch collegues too...!

So you're denigrating someone because they may or may not understand "your" European history and/or they have too many projects, in your opinion? Oh, and they might not be able to comprehend written, original sources... There is much supposition in these broad stokes, but not many (or any) examples.

I do know, from my own indigenous ancestry, that the Dutch were big on colonizing countries and peoples not their own.

very many is NOT everybody. Have you learned reading?

Aren't there enough projects with American history issues she might be more helpful than in the lower countries here? Or maybe she can be of help in Asia, or South America... lot's of modern genealogical kolonism to be done I suppose and she can continue her efford to become a curator that is able to lock profiles whenever she wants...

Have I learned to read ? Yes, thanks for that patronizing question. It doesn't make you seem overbearing or anything. Why don't you become a curator? Or is that what this useful discussion is about: getting to be or not getting to be a curator?

Private User
Did you send her a private message asking WHY she wanted to join one of "your" projects???
She may have discovered she had an ancestor from Finland.

I just found that you are my 23rd cousin once removed, so I can now add Finland to the many European countries that I have ancestors from.

How many projects she belongs to is really none of your business. I know that when it comes to medical questions she doesn't hesitate to put her questions in the appropriate discussion, so I am sure that if she is creating projects for any of the European countries, she would do good research and reach out to someone in that country for info and help.

One of the things I like about Geni is that EVERYONE is so willing to help when help is requested.

And one of the ways curators can help is in helping to explain Geni FAQ, rules, guidelines, and “netiquette”, which can indeed vary from language to language.

So here’s some of what I can help with. Since we’re all experienced geni members, it may be redundant, so bear with me.

  • jMVu is from the Netherlands, so of Dutch background.
  • I know as a genealogical (according to geni) fact that most on this discussion also have the New Netherland colony in our background. So, along with all the other European countries we may have in our pedigree, of course we may be interested in projects oriented to those surnames and histories.
  • Projects are not profiles. They cannot be locked. They cannot be private.
  • Curators have limited rights for Geni projects; they are far more peer driven. So the way that anyone joins a project is by a collaborator accepting their request to join. With the exception: curators can join any project ourselves as a collaborator.
  • Therefore, jMVU, you are questioning the decision made by your project collaborators to affirm someone’s request to join it. I suppose you have that right, much as I find your argument chauvinistic, but you need to be asking them - not posting a public complaint.
  • Most of us are well aware of what geni curators do, who we are, and how to become one. But in case that isn’t clear, curating only lightly impacts projects. Therefore, if that’s anyone’s goal, to think becoming a curator will help with projects is misguided thinking.
  • Most of us are also well aware that geni has a code of conduct: https://www.geni.com/code-of-conduct. A public complaint about a geni member comes very close to violating those guidelines, and I’m going to ask geni administration to close this discussion, as geni curators also have limited rights on these forums.
  • I know most of you and some of you well for many years. I also know the member under discussion and have found her completely geni-honorable, hard working, collaborative and contributory. She’s chosen to help most with empty projects and with USA geography. We all can learn from her efforts, as well as from each other.
  • I’m going to remind JmVu again that all of us Americans are from Europe. So for us not to be interested in European history and projects is what’s weird, not the other way around.

With that, let’s end this discussion.

Thank you Erica, I will be more accurate from now on who's in the projects with Dutch focus. Till now I try to find collegues who have an interest or want to help to develop them. I can't imagine that you be able of help if you want to be part of that many, but it seems possible and exists... But also others in Geni got the idea to be followed and shadowed by persons they never get to know and that's not a nice feeling. Really hope also curatores are aware of that habit, for there are some more that give others not a nice feeling on working on serious projects. And why, if you find it really necessary to go in projects where it seems not logical on a first view, to tell what your motivation is to have access to it? Maybe that is an issue for Geni too to put in their terms, for so many do not want to work in Geni because the risk that total unknown users interfere in serious genealogical research. And we all want Geni to become more reliable also for genealogists as they have denied it also for so long...

I’m a “project princess” myself, so I’m happy to shift focus on this discussion and address some of your questions, Private User

Re: I can't imagine that you be able of help if you want to be part of that many, but it seems possible and exists.

First, I believe you miscounted. Look again at the number of projects and profiles. Not that this is very relevant to anything other than “active member.” And, frankly, really not anyone’s business. But I’ll address privacy (below).

For myself, I currently manage over 139K profiles and am a member of over 8,000 projects. It’s so many projects I have difficulty from the drop down list.

So why am I in so many projects? Mostly to add members to projects. That is one of the most useful things I can do to help researchers.

Our USA geography projects were set up “empty” and groups of people - some curators, some not - have been frequently invited to come collaborate. We may not do anything special, sometimes add profiles. Patricia Ann Scoggin set up her amazing https://www.geni.com/projects/Medical-Portal/47725 in the same fashion. She always invites me and a few others when she creates a new project as requested.

And why, if you find it really necessary to go in projects where it seems not logical on a first view, to tell what your motivation is to have access to it?

Yes, I agree that a reason for requesting to join a project would be helpful. Otherwise we may find ourselves making unwarranted pre judgments. Perhaps you could request that of geni in an enhancement request.

Maybe that is an issue for Geni too to put in their terms, for so many do not want to work in Geni because the risk that total unknown users interfere in serious genealogical research.

I’m not sure what you mean by that or what you perceive the risk is, in a project, to serious genealogical research. Do you refer to adding profiles that don’t belong? The responsibility of project collaborators is to remove them as noticed, of course. Do you refer to the project “about”? It can be reverted from an inappropriate edit: again, a project collaborator responsibility. There have been a few instances (very few) of project vandalism or inappropriate images, and those are reportable to geni customer support … by project collaborators. So, I need a clarification of perceived danger.

But also others in Geni got the idea to be followed and shadowed by persons they never get to know and that's not a nice feeling.

Have you tried writing, nicely, to someone you think is shadowing you? Start by introducing yourself to them. Geni has the “follow” ability, some (I guess you?) find it creepy. You can stop someone from following you by blocking, then unblocking.

Which brings me to privacy on geni.

I’ve always been a believer in deceased / public profiles on geni for my own family, and haven’t worried overmuch about genealogical “mistakes” in profiles because I learned how to fix them. However, someone didn’t like some curating decisions, and unfortunately vandalized some of my personal ancestry. So, I had to extend my privacy zone. Others have explained to me that they have living relatives who are quite elderly, so their zone of privacy ends up being quite a ways back.

But I agree that it’s better to make locked master profiles than privatize as a solution to genealogy mistakes, and urge everyone to take advantage of the discussion:

Curators: Please make this profile a Master Profile!

https://www.geni.com/discussions/272715?msg=1667580

Or - reach out to your local curator.

For those that feel they are followed by another user it may help some to adjust this setting: https://www.geni.com/account_settings/profile_privacy/
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Good reminder, Job. And thank you for stopping by this discussion.

Erica Howton, I am glad that a curator has commented on this discussion.

Thank you for the mention of the medical portal project I organized with the help of others as well as comments & suggestions from others to make it what it is. It is a work in progress, and members are encouraged to join or make suggestion for alterations (there is a discussion connected to it ({https://www.geni.com/discussions/179625?msg=1207663] Medical Portal project--Needs, questions, concerns & related issues Discussion!)

I hope what you have said here will clear things up for Private User. You made some very good points. Maybe a curator from Finland would like to chime in if she still has questions or issues???

(I don't envy you with 8000 projects that you are a member of, and I know I have added you to many of them between the Medical Portal and the [https://www.geni.com/projects/Cause-of-death-portal/27730].) How do you find a project that you are a member of with that long of a list???

Project drop down lists have focus, so typing just a few letters narrows the list or brings it up.

Collaborator requests for projects go to requests tab of geni mail so they’re very fast. They’re linked to the requester, the profile, and the project, so if I don’t know someone, I can investigate.

If I have several profiles to add, I open the project from project search.

https://www.geni.com/projects

Or “search projects” - the third selection from the search icon box in the upper right hand corner of every geni page.

Bernie Johnson - please post links to the profiles you mean. I’m a curator and can help, but you actually have many grandparents.

Hello Erica
just a quick note. My computer blew a gasket, I am just getting used to this one.
Briefly, some JC person converted my grandparents to private as opposed to stating their names.
This was not approved by Me, Thank You for the heads up on Grandparents.
Actually I have some very famous and powerful
Grandparents, Longshanks, Robert the Bruce. Owain, something or other, the Only Prince of Wales that was actually Welsh, and so on and so fort, just to name a few,
Lets talk.
Best Regards. BB

Bernie Johnson

Curator assistance on a volunteer basis is provided to the Geni community via a single discussion, which is simple and focused.

ATTENTION Curators, please assist
https://www.geni.com/discussions/272643?msg=1667063

Please read and look at how it works. You may wish to bookmark it also.

We can’t help without links to Geni profiles.

You post a link to a profile by copying and pasting the URL.

If by "grandparents" you mean the parents of your parents then
1) you should only have 4
2) unless there is a BUG, whether Public or Private you will be able to see and, unless they are also Geni users, edit them. Unless they are Private and all Managers are blocking you.

Or by grandparents do you mean all direct ancestors or ??

Private User - thank you. Exactly what I was wondering.

Also, if there was a merge, you may be seeing unresolved data conflicts after a merge:

What are data conflicts and how do I resolve them?

https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229705487-What-are-data-con...

There’s a “help” link at the bottom of every geni page. You may wish to examine FAQ.

Another post that may help Bernie Johnson

Members control the privacy of their immediate ancestors. It does not need curator assistance to fix. There’s a list.

One way to get there - there are several - is from your own profile, profile view.

Bottom of about, view all link. On the left, focus person, change the group focus to ancestors. On the right, actions column, an icon for public / private, and also further list views.

For example, this link should open your list:

https://www.geni.com/list/index

I suspect you can fix this yourself.

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