Capt. John Burton Gooch, (esq)

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Possible origin of Burton tradition

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Wondering about the union of the surnames Gooch and Burton.
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Elizabeth Gooch married John Burton, in Rattlesden Suffolk, 22 Sept 1780. (She born 1757)
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Also John Burton and Ann Gooch, married 1715, Norfolk.
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John Burton
Ann Gooch
Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1715
Marriage Place: Saint Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk, England

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John Burton
Susannah Gooch
Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1785
Marriage Place: Timworth, England

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John Burton
Ann Gooch
Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1715
Marriage Place: Saint Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk, England

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1788 - Christening

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I have the scan of this on disk
"Catton the Hill of Mortality", Catton, Norfolk
[NOT YARMOUTH, 21 miles away]
March 9 1788
John Burton Gooch, son of Henry and Ann
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Watch out, there are other John Gooch's born this year in Norfolk.
Look for the middle name.
One lookalike born in April, another born in November

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1788 - Baptism

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St Margaret, Catton, Norfolk
9 Mar 1788
John Burton Gooch
Parents Henry Gooch & Ann
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1788 - WRONG Birth - Correct birth precedes christening on March 9 under name John Burton Gooch

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John Gooch
Birth date 18 Apr 1788
Baptism date 25 Jul 1788
Father = *John*
Mother = *Ann*
King's Lynn, St Margaret with St Nicholas
Norwich County
Norfolk
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Archive Norfolk Record Office Archive reference PD 39/87 Page 125 Record set Norfolk Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain []

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1805 - WRONG GUY

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This is NOT our John Burton Gooch!!
His mother is Ann
Neither is it the other John Gooch born in New Lynn.
This is a third namesake!
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John Gooch
Year 1805-10
Rank Ordinary Seaman
Vessel Utile
Pay book number 69
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Relationship Mother
Relation's name *Susanna*
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Description
Registers of allotments and allotment declarations
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 27/17
Record set British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852
Category Military Service & Conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK
None
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1800-13 : EIC

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Service in EIC 1800-1813. Five voyages for EIC.

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1811-12 Again WRONG GUY

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John Gooch Year 1811-12 Rank Ordinary Seaman Vessel Utile Pay book number 109 [] Relationship Mother Relation's name *Susanna* [] Description Registers of allotments and allotment declarations Archive The National Archives Archive reference ADM 27/21 Record set British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852 Category Military Service & Conflict Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Collections from Great Britain, UK None []

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1815

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Did a voyage on the Melanthro (as captain) circa 1815 for another employer.
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1818 - pension

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John B Gooch on Poplar pension by reason of 'distress' (not infirmity) in 1818.
Other forms from same and following years say infirmity
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Poplar Pension Fund is a pension paid by the East India Company to the Officers and Seamen in their Mercantile Marine Service and their families.
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Owns no property (i,e, house) of his own and does not have independent income exceeding 100 pounds per year. (a requirement for pension)

East India Company Pensions 1793-1833
John B Gooch 1818
Second Mate 7 separate entries under the above

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1819 - Poplar fund? No specific part of India named? I think he's in London!

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John B Gooch
Age 31
Event year 1819
Birth year 1788
Death year
- Presidency
- Country India
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Archive reference
L-MAR-C-785 Catalogue description
Poplar Fund pension register vol 2 Record set
East India Company & Civil Service Pensions Category
Education & work Subcategory
Civil Service Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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Money issued on basis of infirmity.
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1819 - Pension again

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John Burton Gooch starts on pension May 12 1819.
60 pounds per year for next four and a half years.
Discontinued when overt signs of infection disappeared
and doctor at that time thought he was claiming more on poverty than on illness.
Appeal to a different doctor who was much more sympathetic
enabled restart of the pension 25 March 1832
to continue unchallenged until end of life.
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Claim forms sometimes state number of children: Nine, then eight then ten.
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J B Gooch a volunteer for pilot service in Bengal. This is his son Joseph Bright Gooch.

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1825 - Pension again

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1825 - John Burton Gooch, pensioner at age 37, second mate.
Pension claim form says he has the rank of second mate.
Has seen five voyages. Entered the EIC in 1800, left in 1813.
(Seems to have been a pensioner ever since, on the basis of infirmity and on one form distress)
(Is possible that he was injured or developed chronic illness during his trip to Batavia in 1815,
during which he was replaced).

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1834

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"Lodgings" burnt down circa 1834 (meaning he rented a home)
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In 1627 the East India Company established a hospital-cum-almshouse at Poplar in East London for the relief of their indigent sailors and in 1654 a chapel was built adjacent to the hospital. The first Poplar pensioners 'lived in' but within a comparatively short period these in-pensioners were out-numbered by out-pensioners who eventually constituted the great majority of recipients. Poplar pensions were awarded to sailors (officers and seamen) of the East India Company Mercantile Marine, their widows and children. The pension fund was financed from a variety of sources - these included a levy of 1.25% on the wages of the Company's seamen, deducted at the end of each voyage, a duty of two shillings per ton upon ships taken into service, and occasional fines imposed on ships' captains for infractions of the Company's rules. For further information on the history and administration of the Fund see the article by I. A. Baxter in the IOLR Newsletter of April 1984, reprinted in 'East London Record', No 8, 1985.

From Ancestry:
All UK, Registers of Employees of the East India Company and the India Office, 1746-1939
results for Gooch
Two records for J B Gooch this date 1 Nov 1847
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Guessing this is son JB Gooch in India

Big new discovery:
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East India Company & Civil Service Pensions
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About 40 records that if purchased could show the following:
Pension Details
Name of applicant
Date of application
Liability of applicant
Sum paid
Date of payments
Duration of payments
Biographical Information
Name of recipient
Age of applicant
Station of applicant
Relations of applicant
Baptism,
marriage and death details of applicant
Baptism details of applicant’s children
Death of applicant
Daughter's marriage dates
Remarks on applicant
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Records identify John Burton Gooch born 1788, and date from 1818 through to 1832.
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Capt George Gooch also a seaman for the EIC, 1796-1825.
Was a member of the board for a society of EIC captains, 1827 I think.
This guy might be related to our John B Gooch.
See entry for Sir Stephen Lushington (1796 EIC ship) on Wikipedia.
George Gooch also owned a ship called the Astell, 1809-1821. https://eicships.threedecks.org/ships/shipdetail.php?shipID=835

And this book mentions a Thomas Gooch
(seaman( in 1806 on HMS Raisonnable, whipped 24 lashes for drunkenness and neglect of duty.
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Book title: The British Invasion of the River Plate 1806-1807: How the Redcoats were …
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https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=Dvt7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA23&dq=melant... []

Also George T Gooch midshipman, injured slightly in a battle in 1813.
[story unknown]

Keyword search on Melantha + Batavia produced this book reference:
https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=7XE5HS1nI-4C&pg=RA2-PA62&lpg=R...

The skirmish at sea between the Lord Keith and the French ship
is covered in spectacular detail in this book.
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https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=llTzWKehyWYC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&...
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Storm and Conquest:
The Battle for the Indian Ocean, 1808-10
By Stephen Taylor
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Can read an incomplete account for free at that website.
Can buy the book from Amazon and other places. (12 SGD)
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LOTS of newspaper articles can be found on the keywords BURTON GOOCH

There appear to be 2 John Burton Gooch's in the census data

The name John Campbell is significant in his history
[see several entries below]
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Campbell, John
[Purser Arniston 1794/5, Sarah Christiana 1804/5, Lord Keith 1807/8 & 1809/10, City of London 1811/12.]
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This website gives the names of the crew on the period 1809/10 & 1811/12 http://www.heicshipslogs.co.uk/peoplecrew.htm There appear to be about 100 names.

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1806 - FreeMason

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John Burton Gooch
Initiation Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1784
Initiation Date: 14 Apr 1806
Profession: Mariner
Lodge: Moral Reformation
E Lodge Number: 439E
F Lodge Number: 353F
England,
United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
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1806-1811 - East India Company - he would have been 18 yo in 1806.

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[******First of two journeys********]
Third mate on the Lord Keith, 600 tons, 2 voyages.
John B Gooch.
To St Helena and Bengal.
Departed Portsmouth 10 June 1806.
Moorings 15 Nov 1807.
[don;t know what this means]
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From wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Keith_(1804_ship)#EIC_voyage_#2_(1806-1807)
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Lord Keith was launched in 1804 by and for Peter Everitt Mestaer.
He chartered her to the East India Company (EIC) for six voyages,
and she then went on to make another two voyages for the EIC.
On her second voyage [JBG on board],
and unusually for an East Indiaman,
she participated in the proceeds for the recapture of a former British Royal Navy brig
and possibly in a skirmish with a French ship.
On her third voyage [JBG on board] she participated in a notable action.
She was broken up c.1820.
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Captain Ramage sailed from Portsmouth on 10 June 1806,
bound for St Helena and Bengal.
Lord Keith reached St Helena on 22 August.
Lloyd's List reported that the Indiaman Dover Castle had retaken Admiral Rainier,
country-ship, at 3°N 89°E, on 30 December 1806.
[Google Maps shows this to be midway between Sri Lanka and Sumatra].
According to the account, Admiral Rainer had been captured by a corvette.
The officers and men of the Indiamen Lord Keith and Dover Castle
received salvage money in October 1810 for the recapture of Admiral Rainier on 31 December 1806,
as did Ocean. Lord Keith arrived at Diamond Harbour on 21 January 1807
[possibly Diamond Harbour in Bengal].
She was at Saugor
[possibly Sagar Island in Bengal]
on 22 February and arrived at Bencoolen on 10 April.
Ramage died at Fort Marlborough, i.e., Bencoolen.
[Bencoolen = Bengkulu, Sumatra]
Lord Keith's First Officer was John Mayne.
Lord Keith reached St Helena on 9 August, and arrived at The Downs on 10 November.
The day before Lord Keith arrived at The Downs,
she apparently skirmished with a French ship,
but there is no further information available in online resources.
[********second journey********]
Captain Peter Campbell acquired a letter of marque on 1 February 1808.
He sailed from Portsmouth on 15 April 1808, bound for St Helena and Bengal.
Lord Keith was at St Helena on 4 July, the Cape of Good Hope on 15 September,
and Trincomalee [Sri Lanka] on 10 December.
She arrived at Calcutta on 22 January 1809.
Homeward bound,
she was at Saugor on 20 March.
On 2 May 1809 she departed from the Sandheads
with a convoy of four other Indiamen and several smaller vessels,
all under the escort of HMS Victor.
On 24 May a storm split the convoy and Victor and the small ships separately lost touch with the Indiamen. Monarch had a leak that had worsened.
She received permission from Captain John Dale of Streatham,
the senior EIC captain of the five vessels and so commodore,
to sail to Penang. Hawes requested that another of the Indiamen accompany him in case Monarch foundered. Dale detailed Earl Spencer to go with Monarch. The three remaining Indiamen, Streatham, Europe, and Lord Keith continued on their way while hoping to meet up with Victor. They were unsuccessful. The French frigate Caroline captured Streatham and Europe in the action of 31 May 1809. Lord Keith too exchanged broadsides with Caroline and was damaged, however she escaped and sailed to Penang to repair. Lord Keith arrived at Penang on 10 June, a few days after Monarch and Lord Spencer. Repairs completed, all three then sailed together and reached St Helena on 14 November; they arrived at The Downs on 19 or 20 January 1810. []

[********next assignment********]
Book: "A Register of Ships, Employed in the Service of the Honorable the United ......."
(1811)
Lists ships and their senior crew, journey dates etc.
John Burton Gooch was 2nd mate on the "Lady Lushington" rated at 600 tons.
Headed to Bengal.
It sailed from Portsmouth July 7 1809.
"Moorings 7 Sept 1810"
[I don't know what that means]
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[hmmm... this overlaps with previous journey,,, may have a mistake]
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Lloyd's Register of shipping says JB Gooch was Captain of a ship that sailed for Batavia Feb 22 1815
(from England).
The ship was called "Melantha" and could carry 359 tons.
Built in America.
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https://www.revolvy.com/page/Melantho-(1812-ship)?source=folders Melantho was built in Philadelphia in 1812. The War of 1812 broke out as she was on her first voyage and British captured her that September. She became a merchantman, and then a whaler, making two whaling voyages to Timor and on before she was last listed in 1826.
Capture
HMS Spartan was part of Sir John Borlase Warren's squadron when on 17 September 1812
she captured Melantho, as Melantho was returning from Chile and bound to Baltimore.
Spartan sent Melantho into Halifax, Nova Scotia,
where the Vice admiralty court condemned her in prize.
Spartan shared the prize money with Statira, Acasta, Nymphe, Orpheus, Maidstone, Aeolus, and Emulous.
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Melantho entered Lloyd's Register in 1814 (published in 1813), with J.B. Gooch, master,
Munnings, owner, and trade London–East Indies.
The 1815 volume of the Register of shipping showed her master changed from Gooch to J.Herd,
and her trade changed from London–India to London–Cape of Good Hope.
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1815 - marriages:

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[] St Boltoph Aldersgate, City of London: 2nd Sept 1815 Henry Burton Gooch widower of this Parish (1st marriage 1808, to Mary Read in Norfolk), married Elizabeth Bright, spinster of St Botolph Bishopsgate Both signed. In the presence of James Frankland & Joseph Bright [] 9 Sep 1815 St Botolph, Aldersgate John Burton Gooch bachelor of this parish and Susanna Bright, spinster, a minor of the parish of St Botolph Bishopsgate Married by licence with consent of father Joseph Bright in the presence of Joseph Bright & James Frankland []

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1817 - Bankruptcy - a sample of many articles

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"Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the English Courts of Common Law" This is an e-book which can be searched via google. Describes a case of bankruptcy of a shipping company, as to whether a cargo of cotton from Calcutta should be held as property for the owner of the ship or the merchant who paid for its journey to India and back. This was in 1817. The merchant was John Burton Gooch who paid for certain goods to be delivered and other goods to be purchased enroute to Madeira, Madras, Calcutta and the back to London. The plan failed, the desired goods not obtained, the ship-owners lost money and were unable to meet debts. It's not clear to me which way the case went. [] John Burton Gooch appointed a man named James Gooch Thompson to go on the journey and be responsible for all cargo bought or sold in the name of John Burton Gooch. [] New Reports of cases heard in the House of Lords [] Page 527 1834 - many mentions in connection with hired ships - seems he had been made Bankrupt, [] See http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18472/pages/1016/page.pdf - 13th June 1828 [] Reports of Cases in Bankruptcy: ... [] The following supplies the name of John Burton Gooch's mother-in-law - Susannah's mother. []

Ex parte Elizabeth Bright. - In the matter of John Campbell.

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This was a petition of the executrix of a creditor against the surviving assignees of the bankrupt,

for the payment of a dividend. It appeared, that two dividends had been previously declared in the years 1823 and 1825; upon which occasions the petitioner, not being able through illness to attend in person to receive them, authorised the assignees to pay them to one Gooch on her account. The authority was in these terms :_ []

"To the assignees of mr. John Campbell's estate.

"Gentlemen, - I have requested my son-in-law, Mr. John Burton Gooch, to sign a receipt in my name for the dividends made on Mr. John Campbell's estate. []

"I am, etc London 13th dec 1825. Elizabeth Bright."

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These dividends were accordingly paid by Mr. Brogden, a deceased assignee, to Gooch,

who signed a receipt for them, and left with the assignee the written authority from Mrs. Bright. Between five and six years afterwards, namely, on the 21st June 1831, a final dividend was declared, which was applied for and received by Gooch of Mr. Brogden under the same authority, which had never been in any manner revoked by Mrs. Bright; and Gooch signed a receipt for this dividend in the same manner as for the two former ones." [See more at the link]

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1817 Bankruptcy

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The story of JBG's 1817 bankruptcy, which dragged on for over ten years, is retold in many legal journals throughout the 1830s-50s. Just Google his name and see. It must have been considered quite a significant and noteworthy case. The 1817 ship that caused the bankruptcy (Hero) travelled to Madras and Calcutta via Madeira. []

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1829 - Pamphlets

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Morning Advertiser - Oct 29 1829 - about a pamphlet written by John Burton Gooch about emigration to New South Wales, Apparently misleading in some sense. There was a second editorial a week or so later.

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1831 - Pension

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On Aug 17 1831 John B Gooch, rated as a second mate, was granted a 60 pound pension to cover him for the period of one year on reason of infirmity. The pension was paid by the East India company. [had he been demoted??? He was a captain in 1815] He was listed as "Mr" whereas certain others were listed as Captain. []

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1832 - discharge from prison:

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London, England, King's Bench and Fleet Prison Discharge Books and Prisoner Lists, 1734-1862 COURT, GOVERNMENTAL & CRIMINAL RECORDS John Burton Gooch Discharge Date 29/12/1832 Discharge Prison London England "by order of the court for the relief of insolvent debtors" [] Our John would have been 44 []

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1841

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Southampton Street, St Giles Camberwell, Camberwell, London & Surrey [] John Gooch 50 1791 Surrey, Susan Gooch 42 1799 Surrey, [] Susan Gooch 21 1820 Surrey, Eliza Gooch 17 1824 Surrey, Hurlock Gooch 12 1829 Surrey, Joseph Gooch 9 1832 Surrey, [] Mary Edney 32 1809 Surrey, Esther Edney 21 1820 Surrey, []

John and wife Susan both "of Kingsland" (north side of the Thames ) Part of Hackney

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1843 - Death

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22 Apr 1843, at White Cottage, Southampton St, Camberwell, Capt John Burton Gooch, late of the Hon. East India Company's Maritime Service, aged 55. IBY = 1788 <--------------------------- first certain evidence of his birth year [] burial date: 29 Apr 1843 burial place: Camberwell, Surrey []

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Lookalike

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Another John B Gooch appears in the data. Different person. 1851 census has him as a tailor lodging in Lancashire. Born Chichester 1795.