John Cary

Parents uncertain.

http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/CaryWilliamtheElderDescendants.pdf

Primary Sources
Will of Henry Hobson of Bristol, innholder, dated 16 March 1634, proved 27 May 1636.
mentions:
my grandchildren, Henry Cary, Matthew Cary, Richard Cary and Myles Cary, children of my daughter Alice Cary, wife of John Cary draper
my grandchildren Alice Cary, Honor Cary and Mary Cary, daughters of my said daughter Alice Cary

Will of Alice Cary of Shadwell in the parish of Stebunheath, otherwise Stepney, Middlesex, spinster, dated 24 April 1660, proved 14 November 1660.
mentions: my grandfather John Cary of Bristol, woollen draper

Notes

John Cary, Plymouth Pilgrim was not the son of John Cary and Elizabeth Hereford. Their son John was married in 1613 (when the Pilgrim was about 3 years old) and died in Hackney , Middlesex, England, before 1665. Proof is found in the pedigree submitted by their grandson John Cary, the famous London and Virginia merchant, to the Earl Marshall of England which resulted in confirmation of his right to bear the arms of the noble Carys of Devon (ref. College of Arms, Book of Grants IV) Copies of those documents are filed in the British Library (Stowe MS 670, folio 229) and in the Society of Genealogists Library, London.

John Cary (William3, Richard2, William1); born 10 April 1583 at Bristol, England; married Elizabeth Hereford 29 May 1609; married Alice Hobson, daughter of Henry Hobson and Alice Dans, circa 1617/18; died 1661/62. He was Mayor at Bristol, England. He resided at Bristol, England. He was a draper.

Known children of John Cary and Elizabeth Hereford were as follows:

i. John Cary; born circa 1610; died circa 1656.

ii. Thomas Cary; baptized 27 December 1613; married Susanna Limberry, daughter of Philip Limberry.

iii. Philip Cary.

iv. Prudence Cary.

v. Elizabeth Cary.

Known children of John Cary and Alice Hobson were as follows:

i. Henry Cary; born circa 1618; died after 1634.

ii. Matthew Cary; born circa 1620; died 1648. He was a mariner. He resided at Stepney, Middlesex, England.

iii. Richard Cary; baptized 29 July 1621 at All Saint's Church, Bristol, England; died after 1660.

iv. Col. Miles Cary, baptized 30 January 1622/23 at All Saint's Church, Bristol, England; married Anne Taylor.

v. Alice Cary; born circa 1625; married Thomas Hayman; married William Payne.

vi. Honor Cary; born circa 1627; buried 6 November 1644 at All Saint's Church, Bristol, England.

vii. Mary Cary, married Hon. Nathaniel Harrison.

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Some sources skip this generation and ma

Some sources skip this generation and make John Cary, 1610, son of William Cary, 1560.

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From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 J

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

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Elizabeth/Hereford * May1609

Elizabeth/Hereford * May1609

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!AF 4.19 !Family records of Cynthia M. G

!AF 4.19 !Family records of Cynthia M. Gardner, 1078 South 350 West, Orem, UT 84058.

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Life Sketch

The following information is provided by David Carey (Matawadave@aol.com).

"The parents of John Cary, the Plymouth Pilgrim, have yet to be positively identified. Most theories have been disproved. He was NOT the son of John Cary and Elizabeth Hereford. Their son John was married in 1613 (when the Pilgrim was about 3 years old) and died in Hackney , Middlesex, England, before 1665. Proof is found in the pedigree submitted by their grandson John Cary, the famous London and Virginia merchant, to the Earl Marshall of England which resulted in confirmation of his right to bear the arms of the noble Carys of Devon (ref. College of Arms, Book of Grants IV) Copies of those documents are filed in the British Library (Stowe MS 670, folio 229) and in the Society of Genealogists Library, London.

John the Pilgrim was NOT the son of Elizabeth and William Cary who was mayor of Bristol in 1621. That theory was proposed by Henry Grosvenor Cary in his The Cary Family in America and is disproved by the Heralds College pedigree of the Bristol Carys. The son of Elizabeth and William Cary was the John Cary who married Elizabeth Hereford (see above)..."

I attached this information written by David Carey as he has looked into the lineage of John Cary the Pilgrim.

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!ALICE CARY, SPINSTER OF STEPNEY, MIDDLE

!ALICE CARY, SPINSTER OF STEPNEY, MIDDLESEX, ENGLAND. GRANDAUGHTER OF JOHN AND DAUGHTER OF EITHER HENRY OR MATTHEW. DIED AND LEFT WILL PROVED 14 NOV 1660.

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CHR PLAC St. Nicholas Parish, Gloucester

CHR PLAC St. Nicholas Parish, Gloucestershire, England MARR DATE 24/9 MAY 1609

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John Cary, draper, Mayor of Bristol, Eng

John Cary, draper, Mayor of Bristol, England. (See McKenzie, ColonialFam. of The USA).

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This line is being questioned. And the

This line is being questioned. And the line of William Cary being his father is also questioned. No one knows for sure the father of John Cary, the Plymouth Pilgrim. From Barbara Cary: She has William listed as John's father and notes this: William Cary was born in 1560. Was sheriff of Bristol in 1599. Was mayor in Bristol in 1611. He had eight sons, three of whom came to America in 1634, 1635, and 1640. Williams sons are: John, James, and Myles Cary. Williams father is Robert Cary b 1525 Bristol d. 1570 Roberts father is William Cary b 1500 d 1572 Roberts mother is Mary Boleyn.

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!MARRIED GRACE BROWN OF ST. SWITHIN'S IN

!MARRIED GRACE BROWN OF ST. SWITHIN'S IN COM. GLOC.

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St. Nicholas Parish, Bristol, England ===
St. Nicholas Parish, Bristol, England

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BIRT PLAC St. Nicholas Par., Bristol, Gl

BIRT PLAC St. Nicholas Par., Bristol, Gloucester, Engl.

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!father: Joshua Poyers, mother: Peachy .

!father: Joshua Poyers, mother: Peachy ...

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Cary pedigree drawn up by Heralds Colleg

Cary pedigree drawn up by Heralds College at the order of Queen Anne Boleyn, preserved at Torre Abbey. Pedigree registered in 1699 at Herald's College, London, by John Cary of Bristol, Gent. and Richard Cary, Alderman of London. Copies of wills are filed with the pedigree.

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John Cary (Carey) 1583-1660 Brief History John CAREY Born: 10 Apr 1583, Bristol, Somerset, England Died: BEF 13 Feb 1661, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Father: William CAREY Mother: Elizabeth (Alice) GOODALL Married 1: Elizabeth HEREFORD

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Cary Family Hist. by Luther F.Cary Film

Cary Family Hist. by Luther F.Cary Film # 564 377 Item 2.

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http://www.tc.umn.edu/~timsx001/batte.html

Francis Poythress ( - c. 1650) m. Mary_____; English immigrant to Virginia c. 1633; patented 400 acres on Bailey’s Creek in Charles City County in 1637 (PB 1, 439) and 350 additional acres adjoining (total 750) in 1648 (PB 2, 139). This land fell into Prince George County upon its formation in 1702. Was lieutenant of the militia in 1644; a captain by 1648. Was burgess for Charles City County 1644, 1645, 1647, and for Northumberland County in 1648. His name disappears from the records after that. The family name of the wife of Captain Francis Poythress has not been discovered.. After his death she became the wife of Colonel Robert Wynne. Issue of Francis and Mary___

Poythress: 1. Jane 2. John 3. Thomas 4. Francis

1 Jane Poythress

m. Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe and Pocahontas.

2 John Poythress

m. Christian Peebles, daughter of David and Elizabeth ( ) Peebles. In 1661 Edward Hill deeded 50 acres in Charles City County, adj. Capt. Robert Wynne to John Poythress, "son of Captain Francis Poythress, dec’d".

21 Joshua Poythress

( -1740), m. ______. The name of the wife of this Joshua has never been proved. The fact that one of his sons was named "Littlebury" suggests that she may have been an Eppes or a Hardyman. In 1725 John Hardyman, whose mother had been Mary Eppes 124, and whose grandmother had been Elizabeth Littlebury, conveyed to "Joseph" Poythress 300 acres, part of the Flowerdew Hundred Tract in Prince George. The consideration expressed was 5 shillings, which means that it was a deed of gift. John Hardyman had actually paid 600 pounds lawful money of England for 150 of the same 300 acres he was now giving away. The "Joseph" named as grantee in the deed was certainly an error in transliteration. Joshua was intended, not "Joseph". This will be clear later when Joshua’s grandson William (211 2) sells the same land to Peachy 65 years later. Why should John Hardyman give valuable land away to Joshua Poythress? A most likely answer would be that a Joshua Poythress had married a close relative of John Hardyman, a daughter or a sister. By 1725 John and Henrietta Maria Hardyman would hardly have a daughter old enough to marry. He had sisters, however. Their names do not appear in any known record but their existance is established by the 1726 will of Littlebury Hardeman, brother of John, which leaves one shilling "to each and every one of my brothers and sisters." These circumstances, plus the existance of a Hardyman Poythress in Prince George, bolster a growing suspicion that the wife of Joshua Poythress was a daughter of John Hardyman, Sr. and Mary Eppes, his wife, and thus a grandaughter of Francis and Elizabeth(Littlebury-Worsham) Epes. Hardyman Poythress, as yet unidentified, in 1809, may have been a grandson of Joshua Poythress. Joshua left a will dated January 17 1739 (o. s.) in which he leaves property to his wife (but inconsiderately fails to name her), and to three sons,three daughters, brothers William, Robert, and others.. The original will is

now in the archives of the Virginia State Library (Accession 23849)

211 Joshua Poythress

m. Mary Short, daughter of William and Mary ( ) Short of Surry County. William Short’s 1757 will mentions his daughter Mary Poythress, her husband Joshua Poythress, and three of their children. Joshua Poythress was captain of a packet ship that plied between London, Glasgow and Petersburg. He left a will, now lost, but referred to in a 1790 deed from his son William to Peachy. (See William 211 2).

211 1 Joshua Poythress

( - 1794), m. Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of Archibald and Elizabeth (Fitzgerald) Robertson. Joshua and his wife were second cousins. They lived and died at Flowerdew Hundred and both were there buried. She died 7 September 1787.

211 11 Elizabeth Poythress

Shown as a child of Joshua and Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress in the notes on the Robertson family made by Gov. Wyndham Robertson. Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress

was the governor’s aunt. He certainly would have had personal knowledge of her children. Several printed accounts of the Cocke and Poythress families state that James Cocke, son of Benjamin, married Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Joshua, without identifying the Joshua, and that they had a daughter Elizabeth Cocke who married Jacob Hoffman. As to this last couple there can be no doubt. In 1955 I ran across a monument

in the cemetery in Leesburg inscribed: "In memory of Jacob Hoffman/and his wife/ Elizabeth Cocke/and their children/erected by their grand-daughter/1928." If the mother of this Elizabeth Cocke had indeed been the daughter of any Joshua Poythress at all she would have to have been the daughter of Joshua 211 1. She could not possibly been the daughter of Joshua 211 and Mary Short, for their daughter Elizabeth (as we shall see later) married Simon Fraser in 1775. Elizabeth Poythress who married James Cocke is said to have died in 1800. Tentatively I place her here.

211 12 Mary Poythress

Shown in the notes of Gov. Wyndham Robertson. Probably died young.

211 13 Susanna Peachy Poythress

(1785-1915), m. 1804 John Vaughn Willcox (11 Aug 1779 Charles City - 23 Nov 1863 Flowerdew Hundred, Pr. Geo.) John Vaughn Willcox was very wealthy; a very large holder of Confederate Bonds. He acquired by purchase the several parcels comprising the original Flowerdew Hundred tract, including the original 300 acres that had been given by John Hardyman in 1725 to his wife’s great grandfather Joshua Poythress 21. John Vaughn Willcox was buried in Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg. Susanna Peachy (Poythress) Willcox was buried at Flowerdew Hundred where a tombstone marked her grave until 1864 when the yankees destroyed it along with all other Poythress monuments that were then there.

211 2 William Poythress

(c. 1753 -1794 Pr. Geo.), m. Mary Gilliam, daughter of John and Jane (Henry) Gilliam of Pr. Geo. William Poythress was a captain in the Continental Army during the Revolution. He was the principle beneficiary of the 1779 will of Thomas Epes 132 32. In 1790 William Poythress deeded to William S. Peachy the same 300 acres of Flowerdew Hundred, previously mentioned, that John Hardyman had conveyed by deed of gift to the first Joshua Poythress and had by the latter been devised to the second Joshua, who had, in turn, devised the same to his son William, the present grantor. William also owned a tract of 863 acres on Simmons Branch upon which he had been living at the time he died.

It is probable that the youngest of the sons had reached legal age by that time. William Poythress may have been buried there.

211 21 Joshua Poythress

(1784 - post 1854), m. 1810 in Petersburg Jane Mills Angus, daughter of John and Lucy (Wortham) Angus, then of Petersburg but formerly of Scotland. In 1850 Joshua and his

wife Jane were living in Petersburg (census). By 1854 he was living in New Jersey when he deeded some lots in the town of Blandford to one Shanks. Jane did not join in the deed. Presumably she had previously died.

211 211 Nancy G. D. Poythress

m. (1) 1834 Robert Carter Harrison, son of Collier and Beersheeba (Bryant) Harrison of "Kittewan," Charles City County. Nancy later m. (2) John Crane. What names her middle initials "G. D." stood for is now anybody’s guess. My guess is that the "G" was for Gilliam, her grandmother’s family name.

211 22 Thomas Eppes Poythress

(c. 1785 - 1847), m. c. 1815 Beersheeba, nee Bryant, but then the widow of Collier Harrison who died in 1809. Beersheeba, by her first marriage, was the mother of Robert Carter Harrison who m. Nancy G. D. above. T. E. P. had but one child by Beersheeba, Caroline, who died at the age of seven. By his 1847 Will Thomas Eppes Poythress left his entire estate to wife Beersheeba for life, and after her death, to brother Joshua, niece Nancy G. D. Harrison, nephew William P. Poythress, and to Harrison step-children. The will provided for having the graveyard at Kittewan enclosed with a brick wall forty feet long on all four sides. Presumably, he, Beersheeba, Caroline, and a number of Harrisons are buried there.

211 221 Caroline Poythress

(1817 - 1824) Obituary appears in "Southern Churchman".

211 23 William Poythress

died unmarried.

211 24 Patrick Henry Poythress

( - 1824), m. Mary Elizabeth Eppes (1785 - 1822), daughter of Peterson Eppes of Dinwiddie County. It might be supposed that P. H. P. was named for the famous orator, it having been a popular custom in that period to name children in honor of persons prominent in the affairs of the times. Actually, this Patrick was named for his own great-grandfather, the Rev. Patrick Henry who was an uncle of the orator.

211 241 William Peterson Poythress

(1810 - 1862), m. Charlotte Reed (1825 - 1897), daughter of Elias and Sarah (Block) Reed of Richmond. After their marriage W. P. P. and Charlotte lived in Richmond where all of their children were born. Mr. Poythress died in Nassau, B. W. I., during blockade-running operations in the war between the States. Charlotte died in Richmond and was buried in Hollywood.

211 241 1 Mary Poythress

d. inf.

211 241 2 Patrick Henry Poythress

(1846 -1863) Accidentally shot while in C. S. A.

211 241 3 William Powhatan Poythress

(1847 - 1920), m. 1877 in Lunenburg Co. Louisa Campbell Mayo (1849 - 1927), daughter of John and Mary Louisa (Campbell) Mayo of Westmoreland County and Richmond. She was granddaughter of Joseph and Jane Poythress 281 9 Mayo of Richmond. W. P. P. was in the wholesale drug business and was founder and owner of W. P. Poythress & Co., of Richmond, a drug manufacturing firm still in operation under that name, although no Poythress is any longer connected with it. Both William P. and Louisa died in Richmond and are buried in Hollywood.

211 241 31 Charlotte Reed Poythress

(9 Feb 1880 - 29 May 1880), buried in Shockoe Cemetery, Richmond.

211 241 32 Charlotte Reed Poythress

(1881 -1906). She was given the same name that had been given

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Bristol, Gloucestershire, , England ===
Bristol, Gloucestershire, , England

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Birth: Apr. 10, 1583
Gloucestershire, England
Death: Feb. 13, 1661
Gloucestershire, England

John Cary, born 10 Apr 1583 in Bristol, baptized in St Nicholas Church, Bristol, buried 13 Feb 1661 in All Saints' Church, Bristol, occupation Mayor of Bristol, occupation Draper. John the Pilgrim was not the son of Elizabeth and William Cary who was mayor of Bristol in 1621. That theory was proposed by Henry Grosvenor Cary in his The Cary Family in America and is disproved by the Heralds College pedigree of the Bristol Carys. The son of Elizabeth and William Cary was the John Cary who married Elizabeth Hereford. (1) Married 29 May 1609 in Bristol, Elizabeth Hereford. (2) He married Alice Hobson, (daughter of Henry Hobson and Alice Dans).

Family links:
Spouses:
Alice Hobson Cary (1585 - ____)*
Elizabeth Hereford Cary (1587 - 1617)*

Children:
Miles Cary (1622 - 1667)*

• Calculated relationship

Burial:
All Saints Church (Bristol)
Bristol
Bristol Unitary Authority
Bristol, England