Pepin Carloman, son of Charlemagne & Hildegard

• born as Carloman but renamed / baptized Pepin
• had no legitimate children. By mistresses (one of whom was likely Bertha of Toulouse), he fathered a son, Bernard, and 5 daughters. One of his daughters married Lambert I of Nantes, though which one is contested. Charles Cawley in Medlands reports: "According to Winkhaus, one of the last four daughters married LAMBERT I Comte de Nantes, son of WIDO Comte et Marquis de Nantes & his wife --- (-Ticino 30 Dec 836), but the source on which this is based has not been identified."
• Adelaide, married Prince Billung of Saxony, according to some sources
• Atala/Adula;
• Gundrada;
• Bertha; and
• Tetrada/Theodrada,

According to Wikipedia (English version), all but the eldest daughter "were born between 800 and Pepin's death and died before their grandfather's death in 814. Pepin's son was Bernard. Pepin was expected to inherit a third of his father's empire, but he predeceased him. The Lombard crown passed on to his illegitimate son Bernard, but the empire went to Pepin's younger brother Louis the Pious."

Please see Charlemagne Project for Source Details

Please help us to find sources to confirm his birthdate – See Discussion here: http://www.geni.com/discussions/115162?msg=852240

Wikipedia:

• English Pepin of Italy
• Nederlands Pepijn van Italië
• Deutsch Pippin (Italien)
• Français Pépin d'Italie
• Italiano Pipino d'Italia

Ben M. Angel's summary:

Relationships:

Parents:

• Charlemagne (or Charles I), King of the Franks and Emperor of the Romans
• Hildegarde de Vinzgouw

Siblings:

• 1. Charles the Younger (772/773 - 811), died before his father.
• 2. Adelais (773-774) died returning from Italy
• 3. Hrothrudis/Rotrud/Erythro (c775-810), betrothed to Emperor Konstantinos VI of Byzantium, betrothal broken, later mistress to Rorico I, Comte de Rennes et du Maine.
• 5. Hlodowic/Louis I der Fromme/le Pieux/the Pious (778-840) Emperor of the Romans
• 6. Hlothar/Lothar (778-779/780), Louis' twin, died young.
• 7. Bertrada/Berta (779/780-824), sought by King Offa of England as wife for his son in return for marriage of his daughter with Charles the Younger - this caused a break in relations between the Franks and England. Mistress of Angilbert the Saint.
• 8. Gisela (781-800/814)
• 9. Hildegard (b./d. 783) mother Hildegard died in childbirth, she lived 40 days.

Mistresses, concubines, and proposed wives: Names are not known. Settipani proposed that Pepin might have married Ruadheid, but this assertion requires further proof. English Wikipedia asserts Bertha, daughter of St. William of Gellone, as his wife, but without citing any sources (FMG clearly doesn't support this assertion).

Children: None of these are attributed to any known mother (despite Wikipedia's unsupported assertion that all the children other than Bernard belong to Bertha).

• 1. Bernard I (c797-818), King of Italy
• 2. Adelais/Adailhaid/Aeda (c.798-810), wife of Prince (Unknown) Billung of Saxony
• 3. Adula/Atula (b. 800/810) possible wife of Lambert I, Comte de Nantes
• 4. Guntrada (b. 800/810) possible wife of Lambert I, Comte de Nantes
• 5. Bertraide/Berthaide (b. 800/810) possible wife of Lambert I, Comte de Nantes
• 6. Theodrada/Theoderada (b. 800/810) possible wife of Lambert I, Comte de Nantes

Basic information and justifications:

Birth: 777 - Frankish Empire (location is not specified by any reliable source). Aachen/Aix-la-Chapelle is not necessarily the safest guess either as Hildegard had Hludowic/Louis and Hlothar/Lothar at a villa called Cassino­gilum, believed to be Chasseneuil-du-Poitou in the present French Region Vienne, during her husband's Spanish campaign a year or two earlier, and died of complications from childbirth in Thionville three years after. Hildegard's residence was mobile, and there is no source pinpointing her location at the time of Pepin's birth.

Baptism: 15 April 781 - Rome, Lombard Kingdom (present Italy), Frankish Empire (same day as he was consecrated King of the Lombards under the regency of Adalhard - he was 4 years old). Supported by FMG and Wikipedia.

Death: 8 July 810 - Milan, Lombard Kingdom (Present Italy), Frankish Empire. Supported by FMG and Wikipedia. Note: the part of the Frankish Empire that contains modern northern Italy was called the Lombard Kingdom, even after conquest in 774. In general, the region carried the name Langobardia Maior (Langobardia Minor was apparently most of southern Italy).

Burial: Basilica di San Zeno Maggiore, Verona, Provincia Verona, Regione Veneto, Italy, named by FMG.

Occupation: King of the Lombards 781-806. Supported by FMG. Sovereign of Italy, Bavaria, Carinthia, and Alemannia south of the Danube River, 806-810 (following the Divisio Regnorum of Thionville)

Alternate names: Born Carloman, also called Pippinus. Also Pipino di Italia in modern Italian, Pepijn van Italië in modern Dutch (and probably a half dozen other translations that I'll include at some point - feel free to add your favorite if you like)...

From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Italy, Kings (covering that part of his family that led Italy):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ITALY,%20Kings%20to%20962.htm#Pepin...

CHARLES I 774-814

CHARLES I King of the Franks, son of PEPIN "le Bref" King of the Franks & his wife Bertrada [Berta] "au Grand Pied" (near Aix-la-Chapelle 2 Apr 748-Aix-la-Chapelle 28 Jan 814, bur Aix-la-Chapelle, Chapelle Sainte-Marie).

• He defended the Pope against the Lombards, conquering their kingdom in 773. He adopted the title "rex Francorum et Langobardorum atque patricius Romanorum" 5 Jun 774, in effect succeeding as CHARLES I King [of Italy] although no record has been found in the surviving charters that he used this title.
• Crowned Emperor CHARLES I at Aachen 25 Dec 800.

1. Other children: see CAROLINGIANS. ( http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlemagneB )

2. CARLOMAN [Pepin] (777-8 Jul 810, bur Milan).

"Pippinus" is named, and his parentage recorded, in the Gesta Mettensium, which specifies that he was his parents' second son[612]. He was baptised "PEPIN" in Rome 15 Apr 781 by Pope Hadrian, Settipani commenting that his name was changed from Carloman[613] but the primary source which identifies him by this name has not so far been identified.

He was crowned PEPIN King of Italy 15 Apr 781 at Rome, named King of the Lombards and installed at Pavia, ruling under the regency of Adalhard.

3. HLUDOWIC [Louis] (Chasseneuil-du-Poitou, Vienne [16 Apr/Sep] 778-island in the Rhine near Ingelheim 20 Jun 840, bur bur Metz, église abbatiale de Saint-Arnoul).

• On his father's death, he adopted the title Emperor LOUIS I “der Fromme/le Pieux” 2 Feb 814, crowned at Reims [Jul/Aug] 816 by Pope Stephen IV.

References:

• [612] Pauli Gesta Episcop. Mettensium, MGH SS II, p. 265.
• [613] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 211.

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Italy, Kings (covering his mistresses and children):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ITALY,%20Kings%20to%20962.htm#_Toc2...

PEPIN 781-811

CARLOMAN [Pepin], son of CHARLES I King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegard (777-Milan 8 Jul 810, bur Verona, San Zeno Maggiore).

"Pippinus" is named, and his parentage recorded, in the Gesta Mettensium, which specifies that he was his parents' second son[614]. He was baptised "PEPIN" in Rome 15 Apr 781 by Pope Hadrian, Settipani commenting that his name was changed from Carloman[615] but the primary source which identifies him by this name has not so far been identified.

He was crowned PEPIN King of Italy 15 Apr 781 at Rome[616], named King of the Lombards and installed at Pavia, ruling under the regency of Adalhard. He invaded the duchy of Benevento in early 793.

The 796 victory of "rex Pippinus" against the Avars led by "Cacanus rex" (which reflects the title "Khagan" not his name) is commemorated in a contemporary poem[617]. The Annales Fuldenses record that "Ehericum ducem Foroiuliensem, deinde…Pippinum filium regis" captured the camp of "Hunorum…Hringum" in 796, specifying that "Cagan et Iugurro principibus Hunorum" were killed by their own people[618].

At the partition of the empire agreed at Thionville in 806, Pepin was designated sovereign of Italy, Bavaria, Carinthia (except Nordgau) and Alemannia south of the River Danube. He subjugated Istria, the towns of Dalmatia, and Venice in [810][619].

The Annales Fuldenses record the death "810 VIII Id Iul" of "Pippinum filius eius regem Italiæ"[620]. The Annales Sancti Emmerammi record the death "810 Id Iul" of "Pippinus"[621].

Mistress (1): (from [795]) --- .

• Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that Pepin's son Bernard was born "…ex concubina"[622]. However, other sources do not refer to the fact that he was illegitimate. The question is not beyond doubt.
• Assuming that he was illegitimate, the name of King Pepin's mistress is not known. Settipani quotes a name list in the Liber confraternitatum augiensis which reads "Karolus maior domus, Pippin rex, Karlomannus maior domus, Karolus imperator, Karolus rex, Pippin rex, Bernardus rex, Ruadtrud, Ruadheid, Svanahild regina, Bertha regina, Hiltikart regina, Fastrat regina, Liutkart regina, Ruadheid, Hirminkar regina"[623]. He makes the obvious links between "Karolus maior domus…Svanahild regina", "Pippin rex…Bertha regina" and "Karolus imperator…Hiltikart regina, Fastrat regina, Liutkart regina", deducing that the last named "Ruadheid" must be linked logically to "Pippin rex". However, this link is not inevitable. It is based on three assumptions: firstly that the second "Pippin rex" was Pepin King of Italy (he is the most likely candidate, but it could also be Pepin King of Aquitaine, son of Emperor Louis I); secondly that there are no female names linked either to "Karolus rex" or to "Bernardus rex", which cannot be proved; and thirdly, that all the females listed were partners of the males listed, which is certainly not the case in view of the absence of Emperor Louis I "le Pieux" who is assumed to be the husband of "Hirminkar regina".
• Rösch suggests Bertha as the possible name of King Pepin's wife, citing Stromeyer[624]. Settipani suggests that she was a close relative of Adalhard Abbé de Corbie and his half-brother Wala to explain the appointment of the former as regent for her son Bernard King of Italy in 813.

King Pepin had one illegitimate child by Mistress (1):

1. BERNARD ([797]-Milan 17 Aug 818, bur Milan, San Ambrosio). Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names "Bernhardus filius Pippini ex concubina"[625]. He was confirmed 11 Sep 813 at Aix-la-Chapelle as BERNARD I King of Italy.

King Pepin had five [illegitimate] children by [Mistress (1)]. Einhard, who names these daughters, makes no mention of whether they were legitimate or not. If they were illegitimate, it is not known whether they were full sisters of Bernard.

2. ADELAIS ([798]-after 810).

• "Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[626]. She was taken from Italy to the imperial court in 807[627].
• Same person as…? AEDA . The Carmen de Primordiis Cœnobii Gandersheimensis names the wife of "Liudulfus" as "Oda…Francorum…de stirpe potentum, filia Billungi…atque Aedæ"[628]. Her precise origin is mentioned in the charter dated 885 by which "Oda comitissa, Pipini regis Italiæ ex filia neptis, Hliudolfi Ducis vidua" founded Kloster Calbe an der Milde, although the accuracy of this document is not known[629].
• m BILLUNG, son of ---.

3. ADULA ([800/810]-after 810).

• "Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[630].
• She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

4. GUNTRADA ([800/810]-after 810).

• "Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[631].
• She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

5. BERTAIDE ([800/810]-after 810).

• "Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[632].
• She arrived at the imperial court before 814.

6. THEODRADA ([800/810]-after 810).

• "Adailhaidem, Atulam, Guntradam, Berthaidem ac Theoderadam" are named as daughters of Pippin by Einhard[633].
• She arrived at the imperial court before 814.
• [According to Winkhaus[634], one of the last four daughters married LAMBERT I Comte de Nantes, son of WIDO Comte et Marquis de Nantes & his wife --- (-Ticino 30 Dec 836), but the source on which this is based has not been identified.]

References:

• [614] Pauli Gesta Episcop. Mettensium, MGH SS II, p. 265.
• [615] Settipani (1993), p. 211.
• [616] RFA 781, p. 59.
• [617] Tituli Sæculi VIII, XI De Pippini regis Victoria Avarica, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini I, p. 116.
• [618] Annales Fuldenses 796, MGH SS I, p. 351.
• [619] Settipani (1993), p. 211.
• [620] Annales Fuldenses 810, MGH SS I, p. 355.
• [621] Annales Sancti Emmerammi Ratisponensis maiores 810, MGH SS I, p. 93.
• [622] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 22, MGH SS II, p. 596.
• [623] Settipani (1993), pp. 167-8, quoting Liber confraternitatum augiensis, MGH Lib Confr II, 460, p. 292.
• [624] Rösch, S. (1977) Caroli Magni Progenies (Verlag Degener & Co, Neustadt an der Aisch), p. 67, citing Stromeyer, M. (1963/67) Merian-Ahnen aus dreizehn Jahrhunderten (C.A. Starke).
• [625] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 22, MGH SS II, p. 596.
• [626] Einhard 19, p. 454.
• [627] Settipani (1993), p. 212.
• [628] Carmen de Primordiis Cœnobii Gandersheimensis, MGH SS IV, p. 306.
• [629] Riedel Mark 1 [the full reference is not given], p. 25, quoted in Raumer, G. W. von (1836) Regesta Historiæ Brandenburgensis, Tome I (Berlin), p. 24.
• [630] Einhard 19, p. 454.
• [631] Einhard 19, p. 454.
• [632] Einhard 19, p. 454.
• [633] Einhard 19, p. 454.
• [634] Winkhaus, E. 'Ahnen zu Karl dem Großen und Widukind' in 765 (773) Ahnenstämmen (1950-53), cited in Rösch (1977), p. 67. This marriage is not in Settipani (1993), p. 212.

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Unattributed information, secondary sources:

Pepin, baptized at Rome, 12 Apr 781 by Pope Adrian I, d. Milan, 8 July 810, King of Italy 781-810, consecrated King of Lombardy 15 Apr 781.

Apparently by a daughter of Duke Bernard, younger brother of Pepin the Short, he had Bernard a natural son. [Ancestral Roots, line 50-14]

1. Note: Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999

• Note: Page: 50-14
• Note: Text: baptized in Rome by Pope Adrian I

1. Note: Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on

• Note: Page: Pepin

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Unattributed biography:

King of Italy (781-810) and second son of the Frankish emperor Charlemagne.

Given the title of king of Italy in 781, Pepin took part in campaigns against Duke Tassilo III of Bavaria from 787 and led an army against the Avars in 796. His Venetian campaign (809-810) enabled Charlemagne later to come to favourable terms with the Byzantine Empire. As early as 806 Charlemagne, in planning the division of his lands, had decided that on his death Pepin should inherit Italy, Bavaria, and the territory of the Alemanni, but Pepin predeceased his father by four years.

Pepin's father, CHARLEMAGNE, conquered Italy and removed the last of the Lombard kings in 774. He had Pepin crown as king of Italy in 781, when he was four years old. The administration of the kingdom was by various guardians appointed by CHARLEMAGNE. Armies under Pepin's authority annihilited the Avars in 796 and took Chieti from Benevento in 801. Pepin died in 810, four years before his father. His son, Bernard succeeded him as king of Italy.

From the English Wikipedia page on Pepin of Italy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_of_Italy for more information.

Pepin (or Pippin) was the son of Charlemagne and King of Italy (781-810) under the authority of his father. He was the third son of Charlemagne, and the second with his wife Hildegard. He was born Carloman, but when his brother Pepin the Hunchback betrayed their father, the royal name Pepin passed to him. He was made King of Italy after his father's conquest of the Lombards, in 781, and crowned by Pope Hadrian I with the Iron Crown of Lombardy.

He was active as ruler of Italy and worked to expand the Frankish empire. In 791, he marched a Lombard army into the Drava valley and ravaged Pannonia, while his father marched along the Danube into Avar territory. Charlemagne left the campaigning to deal with a Saxon revolt in 792. Pepin and Duke Eric of Friuli continued, however, to assault the Avars' ring-shaped strongholds. The great Ring of the Avars, their capital fortress, was taken twice. The booty was sent to Charlemagne in Aachen (Aix-la-Chapelle) and redistributed to all his followers and even to foreign rulers, including King Offa of Mercia. A celebratory poem, De Pippine regis Victoria Avarica, was composed after Pepin forced the Avar khagan to submit in 796. This poem was composed at Verona, Pepin's capital after 799 and the centre of Carolingian Renaissance literature in Italy. The Versus de Verona (c.800), an urban encomium of the city, likewise praises king Pepin.

His activities included a long, but unsuccessful siege of Venice in 810. The siege lasted six months and Pepin's army was ravaged by the diseases of the local swamps and was forced to withdraw. A few months later Pepin died.

He married Bertha, daughter of William of Gellone, count of Toulouse, and had five daughters with her (Adelaide, married Lambert I of Nantes; Atala; Gundrada; Bertha; and Tetrada), all of whom but the eldest were born between 800 and Pepin's death and died before their grandfather's death in 814. Pepin also had an illegitimate son Bernard, our ancestor, with his mistress Chrothais des Francs. Pepin was expected to inherit a third of his father's empire, but he predeceased him. The Italian crown passed on to his son Bernard, but the empire went to Pepin's younger brother Louis the Pious.

Born Carloman. Name was later changed.

AKA: Carloman.

Sources:

• The book, 'The Dark Ages'
• Funk & Wagnalls New Encyclopedia
• The book, 'They Came With The Conqueror'

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Coroado Rei da Lombardia em 15/4/781

Rei da Itália (781-810). Combateu os Ávaros (796). Em 806 recebeu a Baviera e a Alemânia

On the marriages and heirs of Charlemagne, from English Wikipaedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

Charlemagne had twenty children over the course of his life with eight of his ten known wives or concubines. Nonetheless, he only had four legitimate grandsons, the four sons of his third son, Louis. In addition, he had a grandson (Bernard of Italy, the only son of his third son, Pippin of Italy), who was born illegitimate but included in the line of inheritance. So, despite twenty children, the claimants to his inheritance were few.

1. His first relationship was with Himiltrude. The nature of this relationship is variously described as concubinage, a legal marriage, or a Friedelehe.[35] (Charlemagne put her aside when he married Desiderata.) The union with Himiltrude produced two children: - Amaudru, a daughter[36] - Pippin the Hunchback (ca. 769–811)

2. After her, his first wife was Desiderata, daughter of Desiderius, king of the Lombards; married in 770, annulled in 771.

3. His second wife was Hildegard (757 or 758–783), married 771, died 783. By her he had nine children: - Charles the Younger (ca. 772–4 December 811), Duke of Maine, and crowned King of the Franks on 25 December 800 - Carloman, renamed Pippin (April 777–8 July 810), King of Italy - Adalhaid (774), who was born whilst her parents were on campaign in Italy. She was sent back to Francia, but died before reaching Lyons - Rotrude (or Hruodrud) (775–6 June 810) - Louis (778–20 June 840), twin of Lothair, King of Aquitaine since 781, crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 813, senior Emperor from 814 - Lothair (778–6 February 779/780), twin of Louis, he died in infancy[37] - Bertha (779-826) - Gisela (781-808) - Hildegarde (782-783)

4. His third wife was Fastrada, married 784, died 794. By her he had: - Theodrada (b.784), abbess of Argenteuil - Hiltrude (b.787)

5. His fourth wife was Luitgard, married 794, died childless.

Concubinages and illegitimate children: 6. His first known concubine was Gersuinda. By her he had: - Adaltrude (b.774)

7. His second known concubine was Madelgard. By her he had: - Ruodhaid (775–810), abbess of Faremoutiers

8. His third known concubine was Amaltrud of Vienne. By her he had: - Alpaida (b.794)

9. His fourth known concubine was Regina. By her he had: - Drogo (801–855), Bishop of Metz from 823 and abbot of Luxeuil Abbey - Hugh (802–844), archchancellor of the Empire

10. His fifth known concubine was Ethelind. By her he had: - Richbod (805–844), Abbott of Saint-Riquier - Theodoric (b. 807)

Pepin was the second son of Charlemagne by his then-wife Hildegard.[1] He was born Carloman, but when his half-brother Pepin the Hunchback betrayed their father, the royal name Pepin passed to him. He was made king of Italy after his father's conquest of the Lombards, in 781, and crowned by Pope Hadrian I with the Iron Crown of Lombardy.

He was active as ruler of Italy and worked to expand the Frankish empire. In 791, he marched a Lombard army into the Drava valley and ravaged Pannonia, while his father marched along the Danube into Avar territory. Charlemagne left the campaigning to deal with a Saxon revolt in 792. Pepin and Duke Eric of Friuli continued, however, to assault the Avars' ring-shaped strongholds. The great Ring of the Avars, their capital fortress, was taken twice. The booty was sent to Charlemagne in Aachen and redistributed to all his followers and even to foreign rulers, including King Offa of Mercia. A celebratory poem, De Pippine regis Victoria Avarica, was composed after Pepin forced the Avar khagan to submit in 796.[2] This poem was composed at Verona, Pepin's capital after 799 and the centre of Carolingian Renaissance literature in Italy. The Versus de Verona (c.800), an urban encomium of the city, likewise praises king Pepin.[3]

His activities included a long, but unsuccessful siege of Venice in 810. The siege lasted six months and Pepin's army was ravaged by the diseases of the local swamps and was forced to withdraw. A few months later Pepin died.

He married Bertha, whose ancestry is not known from any reliable source although spuriously she has been called the daughter of William of Gellone, count of Toulouse. He and Bertha had five daughters : (Adelaide, married Lambert I of Nantes; Atala; Gundrada; Bertha; and Tetrada), all of whom but the eldest were born between 800 and Pepin's death and died before their grandfather's death in 814. Pepin also had an illegitimate son Bernard. Pepin was expected to inherit a third of his father's empire, but he predeceased him. The Italian crown passed on to his son Bernard, but the empire went to Pepin's younger brother Louis the Pious.

Bernard, b. 797 Vermandois, Normandie, d. Aug 17, 818 Milan, Italy

Theodrate, b. 800, d. Sep 9, 836

Adele, b. 806

Adelaide, b. 807

SO MANY PEPINS ! - DISAMBIGUATION TEMPLATE for discussion & editing from Charlemagne Project

From youngest/ most chronologically recent:

Pepin d810, King of Italy, originally called Carloman, son of Charlemagne & Hildegarde

Pepin The Hunchback d811 , eldest, but 'illegitimate' son of Charlemagne & Himiltrude

Pepin III d768, '”le Bref” The Short', Mayor of the Palace of Neustria, King of the Franks, father Charlemagne - son of Charles Martel & Rotrude

Pepin II d714, 'The Younger' or 'The Middle' 'of Heristal', Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, Neustria & Burgundy, paternal grandfather of Pepin III d768 through Charles Martel - son of Begga & Ansegis

Pepin I d639, 'The Elder' 'of Landen', Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia m Itta,; maternal grandfather of Pepin II d714 , through Begga

Pepin, the Grandfather of Pepin I - Does he exist? (Input here, please – Sharon)
- http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazxs/gazxs46.html has NN parents for Pepin I, with a Pepin as one of their parents. But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_I] names his father as Carloman and NN for his mother, & no grandparents. On our tree, Pepin I's mother is Gertrudis (whose father is Garibald, not Pepin), & his father is Carloman (whose father is Charles, not Pepin) MY DECISION WOULD BE TO REMOVE PEPIN, GRANDFATHER OF PEPIN I , because the source for this: http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazxs/gazxs46.htm] also gets the Heristal/Landen Pepins wrong, so I feel I shouldn’t trust it. THAT MEANS WE’RE GOING WITH THE WIKIPAEDIA VERSION OF THE FATHER AS CARLOMAN,;BUT THAT DOESN’T GET AS FAR BACK AS THE GRANDPARENTS – A LTHOUGH OUR TREE DOES.

Pépin King of Italy and Lombardy was born in April 773 in Aachen, Rhineland, Germany. He was the son of Charlemagne Emperor of the West and Hildegarde Countess in Linzgau. Pépin King of Italy and Lombardy was christened on 12 April 781 in Rome, by Pope Adrian I. He was also known as Carlolman, but christened Pépin, by which he is known. He was consecrated King of Lomardy on 15 April 781. He was crowned King of Italy by his father, Charlemagne in 781 Pépin, married Gondres, daughter of Duke Bernard and daughter unknown. Pépin King of Italy and Lombardy died on Thursday, 8 July 810 in Milan, Italy, at age 37 years and 3 months.

CARLOMAN [Pepin], son of CHARLES I King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegard (777-Milan 8 Jul 810, bur Verona, San Zeno Maggiore).

"Pippinus" is named, and his parentage recorded, in the Gesta Mettensium, which specifies that he was his parents' second son[614]. He was baptised "PEPIN" in Rome 15 Apr 781 by Pope Hadrian, Settipani commenting that his name was changed from Carloman[615] but the primary source which identifies him by this name has not so far been identified.

He was crowned PEPIN King of Italy 15 Apr 781 at Rome[616], named King of the Lombards and installed at Pavia, ruling under the regency of Adalhard. He invaded the duchy of Benevento in early 793.

The 796 victory of "rex Pippinus" against the Avars led by "Cacanus rex" (which reflects the title "Khagan" not his name) is commemorated in a contemporary poem[617]. The Annales Fuldenses record that "Ehericum ducem Foroiuliensem, deinde…Pippinum filium regis" captured the camp of "Hunorum…Hringum" in 796, specifying that "Cagan et Iugurro principibus Hunorum" were killed by their own people[618].

At the partition of the empire agreed at Thionville in 806, Pepin was designated sovereign of Italy, Bavaria, Carinthia (except Nordgau) and Alemannia south of the River Danube. He subjugated Istria, the towns of Dalmatia, and Venice in [810][619].

The Annales Fuldenses record the death "810 VIII Id Iul" of "Pippinum filius eius regem Italiæ"[620]. The Annales Sancti Emmerammi record the death "810 Id Iul" of "Pippinus"[621].

Mistress (1): (from [795]) --- .

Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that Pepin's son Bernard was born "…ex concubina"[622]. However, other sources do not refer to the fact that he was illegitimate. The question is not beyond doubt. Assuming that he was illegitimate, the name of King Pepin's mistress is not known. Settipani quotes a name list in the Liber confraternitatum augiensis which reads "Karolus maior domus, Pippin rex, Karlomannus maior domus, Karolus imperator, Karolus rex, Pippin rex, Bernardus rex, Ruadtrud, Ruadheid, Svanahild regina, Bertha regina, Hiltikart regina, Fastrat regina, Liutkart regina, Ruadheid, Hirminkar regina"[623]. He makes the obvious links between "Karolus maior domus…Svanahild regina", "Pippin rex…Bertha regina" and "Karolus imperator…Hiltikart regina, Fastrat regina, Liutkart regina", deducing that the last named "Ruadheid" must be linked logically to "Pippin rex". However, this link is not inevitable. It is based on three assumptions: firstly that the second "Pippin rex" was Pepin King of Italy (he is the most likely candidate, but it could also be Pepin King of Aquitaine, son of Emperor Louis I); secondly that there are no female names linked either to "Karolus rex" or to "Bernardus rex", which cannot be proved; and thirdly, that all the females listed were partners of the males listed, which is certainly not the case in view of the absence of Emperor Louis I "le Pieux" who is assumed to be the husband of "Hirminkar regina". Rösch suggests Bertha as the possible name of King Pepin's wife, citing Stromeyer[624]. Settipani suggests that she was a close relative of Adalhard Abbé de Corbie and his half-brother Wala to explain the appointment of the former as regent for her son Bernard King of Italy in 813.

  Ancestral File Number: 9GCD-3K.

General Notes:
Pepin was baptised by Pope Adrian I. Consecrated King of Lombardy April 15, 781, was King 781-810.

From Encyclopedia Britannica Online, Article entitled Pepin:

"Pepin took part in campaigns against Duke Tassilo III of Bavaria from 787 and led an army against the Avars in 796. His Venetian campaign (809-810) enabled Charlemagne later to come to favourable terms with the Byzantine Empire. As early as 806 Charlemagne, in planning the division of his lands, had decided that on his death Pepin should inherit Italy, Bavaria, and the territory of the Alemanni, but Pepin predeceased his father by four years."

  Events:

1. Info 2: King Of The Langobardians.

  Marriage Information:

Pépin married Bertha DE TOULOUSE Queen of Italy, daughter of St. Guillaume (Guilhelm) DE GELLONE Count of Toulouse and Gilbour VON HORNBACH, about 795. (Bertha DE TOULOUSE Queen of Italy was born in 777 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 1052.)

   Marriage Information:

Pépin also married Ingletrude D' AUTUN, daughter of Bernhard CAROLING Duke of the Austrasian Franks and VON SACHSEN. (Ingletrude D' AUTUN was born about 775 in Autun, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 758.)

Spouses/Children: 1. Bertha DE TOULOUSE Queen of Italy Theodrate DE VERMANDOIS+ Bernard I CAROLING King of Italy+ Princess Aeda-Attala CAROLING of Italy 2. Ingletrude D' AUTUN Theodrate DE FRANCE Bernard I CAROLING King of Italy+

http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p322.h...

http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/ui05.h...

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/genealogy-heynen/P2254.php mentions birth year 773

Info from Findagrave.com: Birth: unknown Aachen Aachener Stadtkreis Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Death: unknown Provincia di Milano Lombardia, Italy

Birth: April 12, 773 Death: July 8, 810

King of the Lombards Pepin I Carolingian acceded the throne as King of Italy in 781. Pepin was baptized at Rome, 12 Apr 781, by Pope Hadrian I. Apparently by a daughter of Duke Bernard, who was the younger brother of Pepin the Short. Pepin's name was Carloman at birth. However, when his brother Pepin the Hunchback betrayed their father, the royal name Pepin passed to him. After his father's conquest of the Lombards, he was crowned in 781 by Pope Hadrian

Konge for Langobarderene, Italia fra 781-806

• Født: 777 - frankiske riket. Aachen/Aix-la-Chapelle er ikke nødvendigvis det sikreste stedet å gjette på for Hildegard fødte Hludowic/Louis og Hlothar/Lothar i en villa kalt Cassinogilum, antas å være Chasseneuil-du-Poitou i nåværende franske regionen Vienne, under ektemannens spansk kampanje et eller to år tidligere, og døde av komplikasjoner i en fødsel i Thionville tre år etter. Da hans mor Hildegard bodde på forskjelige steder er det ingen kilde som angir plassering på Pipins fødsel.
• Dåp: 15 April 781 - Roma, Lombard Norge (nåværende Italia), frankiske riket (samme dag som han ble innviet konge av frankerne under regentskapet til Adalhard - han var 4 år gammel). Støttet av FMG og Wikipedia.
• Død 8 juli 810 - Milano Lombard rike (nåværende Italia), frankiske riket. Støttet av FMG og Wikipedia. Merk: delen av det frankiske riket som inneholder moderne Nord-Italia ble kalt Lombard riket, selv etter erobringen i 774. Generelt regionen bar navnet Langobardia Maior (Langobardia minor var tydeligvis det meste av Sør-Italia). Pepin døde av sykdom på en beleiring av Venezia.
• Begravelse: Basilica di San Zeno Maggiore, Verona, i provinsen Verona, i regionen Veneto, Italia, kilde FMG. Yrke: Konge for Langobarderene fra 781-806. Støttet av FMG. Styrte i Italia, Bayern, Kärnten og Alemannia sør for Donau. og fra 806 til 810 over Thionville

Hans elskerinner, konkubiner og foreslåtte koner navn er ikke kjent. .

Han hadde barna 1. Bernard I (c797-818), Konge av Italia 2. Adelais/Adailhaid/Aeda (c.798-810), 3. Adula/Atula (f. 800/810 4. Guntrada (f. . 800/810) 5. Bertraide/Berthaide (f.. 800/810) 6. Theodrada/Theoderada (f. 800/810)

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ITALY,%20Kings%20to%20962.htm#Pepin...

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippin_av_Italia

Pepin Carloman, son of Charlemagne & Hildegard