L11+ P311+ U106+ Apparently ancestral of all current subclade-defining SNPs

Not at all. There are many subclades that do not have U106 as an ancestor.

The list of numbers you gave doesn't name SNPs. What are they?

These numbers are STRs from a 12-marker test.

Theres a lot of subgroups under U106: http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/ all subgroups under U106 has this SNP, and only those.. The STR-marker DYS 391: 10 can not tell you if you are U106+ as I see that those confirmed U106 (SNP-test) have both 10 and 11.. The name of this branch "R1b1a2a1a1" is not used much any more as this name is very unstable.. Its much better to use R1b-U106 or R-U106 as a name..

David I found your reply very interesting. Our certificates says"P311"

Wow looks looks like changes occurred in 2016 - as L11 • S127 • PF6539, − P311 • S128 • PF6545 = R-L151

Yes, more or less.

There's an easy way to find answers to questions like this.

First, use the ISOGG yDNA Index:
http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html

You can use this link to look up the individual SNPs. For example, if you look up L11 you'll find some technical information. The long form name is currently R1b1a1a2a1a. PF6539 and S127 are other names for the same SNP used by other labs.

Second, use the ISOGG Tree. You can click on the long-form name to get there:
http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

That link takes you to the right ISOGG Tree. In this case, the tree for Haplogroup R. You can use this link to look up the SNPs associated with a particular long-form name. For example, if you look up R1b1a1a2a1a you'll see that its SNPs are L151/PF6542, L52/PF6541, P310/PF6546/S129, and P311/PF6545/S128. Then, there is a note that L11/PF6539/S127 is currently being investigated as to placement.

So, in a few minutes you have an answer. The short form will be usually R-L151 (because it's the first one listed). R-L151 includes P311/PF6545/S128 (and some others). L11/PF6539/S127 is placed there now, but could end up being further down the tree.

Thank You Justin

I am shown as "Presumed Positive" for the following, M207, P285, L747 R-M207, P241, P294, M173, yet I cannot test for these.
The link to add to my purchases will not allow me to add these. Do you know why a company might say you are "Presumed Positive" but will not allow you testing for the same?

Are you at Family Tree DNA? I'm just guessing but the likely answer is that it costs money to set up a test, so there has to be some expectation people will order it.

You are presumed positive for these SNPs because you are (apparently) either U151 or U106. These SNPS are ancestral to both of those. Everyone who is positive for U151 and U106 is presumed positive for the ancestral SNPs (by definition).

If you really want to be test for them anyway, check out what's included in the latest Y Panel at FTNDA. Or you can do the Big Y, which would definitely include them.

You can also check to see if Yseq.net offers any of these tests as one-off, or consider doing their R1b Orientation Y Panel.

http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=16349

Thank You Justin your the best. Ibe ask my company and received no response.

Thank You Justin your the best. I've ask my company and received no response.

Tests Taken
A11710-, A11711-, A11712-, A1243-, A15807-, A15808-, A15809-, A2150-, A223-, A259-, A431-, A4645-, A4657-, A560-, A561-, A565-, BY16680-, BY16690-, BY16692-, BY16696-, BY16698-, BY16699-, BY1713-, BY18740-, BY2285-, BY3251-, CTS12684-, CTS4089-, CTS4466-, CTS5330 *, CTS9416-, DF19-, DF21-, DF25-, DF27 *, DF41-, DF49-, DF63-, DF85-, DF89-, DF93-, DF94-, DF96-, DF98-, DF99-, FGC12040-, FGC12305-, FGC12307-, FGC12312-, FGC12775-, FGC12791-, FGC14874-, FGC14877-, FGC15048-, FGC17461-, FGC17464-, FGC17465-, FGC17467-, FGC19573-, FGC20667-, FGC20676-, FGC20747-, FGC20764-, FGC22182-, FGC29371-, FGC30527-, FGC31923-, FGC31929-, FGC31939-, FGC36479-, FGC3861 *, FGC3861-, FGC396-, FGC398-, FGC4077-, FGC4133-, FGC42003-, FGC42006-, FGC42011-, FGC5494-, FGC5780-, FGC8507-, FGC8739-, GG445-, GG460-, JFS0001-, JFS0002-, JFS0003-, JFS0004-, JFS0005-, JFS0006-, JFS0007-, JFS0008-, JFS0009-, JFS0010-, JFS0011-, L1-, L1065-, L11+, L151+, L199-, L2-, L21-, L226-, L23+, L238-, L278+, L388+, L389+, L459-, L47-, L478+, L48-, L51+, L513-, L555-, L754+, M12149 *, M1994-, M222-, M269+, M323-, M343+, M697 *, M73-, P25+, P297+, P310+, P311+, P312-, PF6289 *, PF6404+, PF6414+, PF6535+, PF7559-, PF7560-, PF7562-, PF7564-, PF7566-, PF7568-, PF7572-, PF7573-, PF7575-, PH155 *, PH2558-, PH4238-, S1026-, S1051-, S10807-, S11320-, S11493-, S12025-, S15627-, S16361-, S1683-, S1684-, S1686-, S1688-, S1690-, S16906-, S1691-, S16994-, S17339-, S1855-, S18632-, S25007-, S25941-, S3058-, S4056-, S4057-, S4060-, S4076-, S4078-, S5493-, S5668-, S588-, S5982-, S6365-, S691-, S764-, S9787-, S9891-, U106+, U152-, U198-, V1636-, V88-, Y14069-, Y14201-, Y15798-, Y31466 *, Y31467-, Y31468-, Y410+, Z154-, Z155-, Z156-, Z16433-, Z16434-, Z16437-, Z17640-, Z18-, Z192-, Z195-, Z198 *, Z209-, Z2103-, Z2105-, Z2185-, Z225-, Z245-, Z251-, Z253-, Z255-, Z260-, Z27230-, Z290-, Z29758-, Z29764-, Z29765-, Z29766-, Z29767-, Z29782-, Z29784 *, Z29799 *, Z29802-, Z3000-, Z301-, Z326-, Z34609-, Z36-, Z367-, Z37884-, Z37885-, Z381-, Z4161-, Z43-, Z49-, Z8-, Z8053-, Z9-, ZZ12_1-, ZZ19_1-, ZZ7_1-

These the tests I have had done ! Not related recently to any other RU106 tested

Phillipp,
Is this the R-M269/R-M343 backbone snp tests? That is what I used to get my snp's listed along with Y-111.
Remember without an snp test your haplogroup is only predicted.Seems that you have done an snp pack. Which one did you take? I will inclusde my snp's in another reply.

Phillipp:

L11+, L151+, L278+, L388+, L389+, L23+, L478+, L754+, M269+, M343+, P25+, P297+, P310+, P311+, PF6404+, PF6414+, PF6535+, U106+, Y410+, Y31467-, Y31468-, U152-, U198-, V1636-, V88-, Z29799-, Z29802-, Z3000-, Z326-, Z34609-, Z36-, Z367-, Z4161-, Z43-, Z49-, Z8-, ZZ12_1-, ZZ19_1-, ZZ7_1-, PF7559-, PF7560-, PF7562-, PF7564-, PF7566-, PF7568-, PF7572-, PF7573-, PF7575-, PH2558-, PH4238-, S1026-, S1051-, S3058-, S5668-, S588-, S5982-, S6365-, S691-, Z16433-, Z16434-, Z16437-, Z18-, Z192-, Z195-, Z198-, Z209-, Z2103-, Z2105-, Z2185-, Z225-, Z245-, Z251-, Z253-, Z255-, Z260-, Z290-, Z29758-, Z29764-, Z29765-, Z29766-, Z29767-, Z29782-, P312-, M697-, M73-, M12149-, M222-, L513-, L555-, L48-, L238-, L459-, L47-, L2-, L21-, L226-, FGC4077-, FGC4133-, FGC42003-, FGC42006-, FGC42011-, FGC5494-, FGC5780-, FGC8739-, GG445-, GG460-, L1065-, A11710-, A11711-, A11712-, A15807-, A15808-, A15809-, A223-, A259-, A431-, BY16680-, BY16690-, BY16692-, BY16696-, BY16698-, BY16699-, BY1713-, BY18740-, BY2285-, CTS12684-, CTS4466-, DF41-, DF49-, DF63-, DF85-, DF96-, DF98-, DF99-, CTS9416-, DF19-, DF21-, DF25-, FGC20764-, FGC31923-, FGC31929-, FGC31939-, FGC3861*, DF27*, FGC20747*, CTS5330*, L51*, PF6289*, Z29784*, S764*, PH155*, Y31466*, Z156*

These are my results for R-U106.

yes Joel
First R-M269/R-M343 snp pack and then another snp pack FTDNA suggested I do .
See at a quick glance I have L51+ to L51* and tested Z381- to not tested .
FTDNA IN45853 confirmed R-U106

Big Y-700 is preferable to Y-111 + SNP Pack as it includes 700 short tandem repeats and over 200K SNPs for patrilineal research. Big Y-700 is currently part of FTDNA Summer Sale for $399 USD until 31 August.

You want your terminal SNP + public & private variants for further matches as the tree expands, not backbone SNPs, which won’t be very helpful. Individual SNP tests & SNP packs aren’t that helpful unless matching a family member. Join R U106 & Surname FTDNA projects to get the most out of it & link your DNA tests to your Geni profile.

You can pay an additional $100 USD for the FTDNA Big Y-700 BAM file and get analysis at yfull.com for $49 USD. You can also link BAM at https://haplogroup-r.org/.

The current 4 major branches of R-L151:

R-S1194 (TMRCA 4800 ybp)
R-U106 (TMRCA 4600 ybp)
R-P312 (TMRCA 4500 ybp)
R-A8053 (TMRCA 4500 ybp)

Bronze Age SNPs are not genealogically significant.

FTDNA Summer Sale also includes upgrade discounts to Big Y-700.

Y-12 to Big Y-700: $359 USD
Y-25 to Big Y-700: $349 USD
Y-37 to Big Y-700: $319 USD
Y-67 to Big Y-700: $259 USD
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If someone got a result of R-A431 from 23andme...would their father be the same? Or Df27, or even A432?

Donna, R-A431 is downstream from R-DF27. Time to most recent common ancestor for R-A431 is 2213 BCE (https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-A431/tree)/ 4000 years before present (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y3267/). This Bronze Age result is not relevant to recent paternal family lines, but archaeology & anthropology. 23&Me is not a great tool for genetic genealogy as it’s designed for health, but ~ 3700 cM shared would confirm parentage. If looking to confirm paternity, paternity test would be better. Otherwise, if looking to confirm recent common paternal ancestors & relatives, Big Y-700, Y Elite, WGS or similar test among suspected immediate or distant paternal relatives would be better for confirming recent SNP branches. Ideally, you would be looking to confirm private SNP variants within the past hundred years or so.