Maria Kickers, SM/PROG - Marriage of Frederik Bota and Maria Kikkers

Thanks I think this is incorrect from Ancestry

The year is 1714 in the original record

Thank you Delia Robertson for you input..

Aletha le Roux your feeling about this now?

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Judi, to add, I was wondering why Aletha wrote the name as Kikkers and saw it is like that on the marriage record. When did it change to Kickers?

I have 2 different copies of Stellenbosch marriage records with regard to Frederik Bota and Maria Kickers. The 21 Jun 1714 gives their names as Frederik Bota and Maria Kikkers and the 21 Jun 1717 record as Fred.k Bota and Maria Kikkers.

Valid point then Charlette and Aletha !

Maria was Dutch, most likely it would be Kikkers. Are there any record immages of the alternative date? "Seeing is believing"

Maybe they renewed their marrige vows :)

Aletha. That is a good one. I do not think they were that romantic in those days but for sure they did renew their marriage commitments quite often.

I think you have a point with Maria Kikkers and Maria Kickers I am of opinion that they are two different persons. My 7th greartgrand father Jan Coenraad Visser S/V/PROG had a daughter with Maria Kikkers see link
Geertje Aeltje Gerritz, SM/PROG Maybe you can ask Delia of First Fifty Years for her opinion

Geertje Aeltje Gerritz, SM/PROG

Dries, then we have three different names / persons? - Kickers, Kikkers and Kikkert.

Gosh, wish I could remember where I saw it but it was stated the Jan Coenraad VIsser SV/PROG (my granny was a Visser so hail back to him as well) never had a relationship with Maria Kickers.Any ideas???

No~!,no,! no!, That was not my Grandfather Jan Coenraad, because he had at on one or other time a relationship with every woman in the Cape Maria included.. Family gossip had it that he was a very attractive person. They call at one stage "Jan Grof" due to the way he handles the women. Just joking. The best place to look will be First Fifty Years

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Help. Is there a document or a reference showing Jan Coenraad Visser had a baby with Maria Kikkers or Kickers?? I cannot find one.

The Surname is Kikkert. SAG Vol 15 page 50 states b8 Maria =1/5/1695 Cape town d.o.
Maria Kikkert.

(Kikkert is the dutch for a certain kind of frog (paddatjie)

On Maria Botha, SM/PROG 's profile: Note: Maria Kickers had nothing to do with Jan Coenraadsz Visser ( she is probably confused with Maria Kikkert, an unsourced partner of Jan Coenraad Visser in SAG).

Charlette Louise Hoppe have you uploaded both documents?
=I have 2 different copies of Stellenbosch marriage records with regard to Frederik Bota and Maria Kickers. The 21 Jun 1714 gives their names as Frederik Bota and Maria Kikkers and the 21 Jun 1717 record as Fred.k Bota and Maria Kikkers.=

Uploaded both

Thank you. I'm guessing that the 1714 date is the original, because the typewriter wasn't invented until the late 1800s, and the 1717 version has typewritten columns.

I suppose it could have been typeset - like a book, though. Still seems more likely that the 1714 is the older of the two.

Yes I agree, I think 1714 is correct, but the 1717 document exists, probably a transcription, and that is causing confusion.

Thanks for uploading them both. :-)

Sharon, my question was and still is, why was her name changed from Kikkers (records) to Kickers on the Geni profile?

Oh, I see - I'd just assumed you were talking about the Kikkert on SAG.

We usually use the oldest documented surname spelling - (unless it's patently a misspelling) -
I think the first spelling we have of her surname is in her previous marriage:
NGK G1 1/1, Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Mar), 1665-1695: eodem dito (den 11 Julii) Jan Cornelisz van Outbeierlant vryman, en Maria Kickers Jonge dochter., transcribed by Richard Ball, Norfolk, England, (May 2006), Genealogical Society of South Africa, eGSSA Branch http://www.eggsa.org/.

Oh thank you that explains why! I am happy now :)

She must have had an unique personality our Maria, we always wonder what she looked like!