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I found this mess of merges or maybe needed merges that head into John Proctor of Salem.

Capt. Paul Thorndike

Has several two wives that may be the same and several children that seem the same. Probably from gedcoms, it seems.

These 2 Master Profiles seem like the same woman.
https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000003490657695?return=dupli...

Dean Richard Hobart - done. Abigail Sprague Could use more of a biography.

Susanne Floyd - merging done.

Thanks Erica Howton

Erica Howton I added the Find a Grave tombstone and reference. and was completing the info for her kids (and their spouses to see if there are any unmerged duplicates to complete)... but her daughter Mary (b.1740) is locked to 2 mothers.
Mary Loomis

See The Sprague Project for sources
here is Abigail (Hodge) [Tisdale] Sprague profile
https://sprague.one-name.net/getperson.php?personID=I17437&tree...

I also sent an email to the library seeing if this is scanned. (mentioned as source in About)
"Ancestry of Two Great Grandmothers, Esther (Root) Poole, Lois (Sprague) Mears", compiled by Winifred Lovering Holman, S.B., 1938, copy at the NEHGS, pg. 131-132

Phebe Winslow Was not a daughter of Elkanah Tisdale & Abigail Sprague

https://sprague.one-name.net/getperson.php?personID=I17448&tree=Spr... Lists Elkanah’ children as

1. Elkanah Tisdale, d. Yes, date unknown
2. Elijah Tisdale, d. Yes, date unknown

  • The descendants of John Tisdale (1614-1675) colonial Massachusetts. by Tisdale, Robert L. (Robert Lee), 1929-. page 14. < Archive.Org > Children of Joseph Tisdale and Mary (Leonard) Tisdale … 30— Elkanah, born in Taunton, Massachusetts in 1684 and died in 1723. The only reference that can be found as to his marriage is that he married an Abigail.

Here is a mess - James Ordway, of Newbury vs James Ordway, of Amesbury

From Newbury VR, we know there were two men named James Ordway in Newbury born close in age - (1) James, s. John and Mary, July 4, 1687. and (2) James, s. James, jr. and Thirza, Oct. 12, 1691.

One of these married Judith Bailey on Nov. 28, 1711. (Newbury VR record - (ORDWAY (Ardway, Ordeway, Ordiway)) James [3d. int.], and Judeth Bailey, Nov. 28, 1711.*) Geni has this pairing as James Ordway, of Amesbury and Judith Ordway They currently have only Judith attached. Unfortunately, this James would NOT be the James 3rd as indicated in the marriage posting.

James (1687) would be James jr. (James Ordway, of Amesbury) and James (1691) would be James 3rd (James Ordway, of Newbury).

From Rock Village (Haverhill) website (http://www.rocksvillage.org/families/ordway-family/) and Newbury VR, we get the list of children for James & Judith:
1. Judeth, d. James, 3d and Judeth, Jan. 16, 1712. Judith Sargent
2. Sarah, d. James, jr. and Judeth, Sept. 1, 1715. Sarah Morse (with yet another set of parents!)
3. Eunice, d. James, jr. and Judith, Sept. 4, 1717. Eunice Smith
4. Anne, d. James, 2d and Judith, Oct. 2, 1719. Anne Ordway

More problems in this line - Tirzah Ordway should ONLY be married to (1st) Thomas Bartlett and (2nd) James Ordway, Jr. The My Heritage profile that has John Ordway attached to Tirzah is incorrect. The Lydia under John & Tirzah is duplicated under James & Tirzah.

James Ordway, of Newbury has the wife and some of the children that belong to James Ordway, of Amesbury

Judith Ordway (and her daughter) should be the wife of James Ordway, of Newbury. James Ordway, of Newbury should be merged with James Ordway, of Newbury and Judith Ordway should be merged with Judith Ordway

Samuel Smith is NOT supported in Newbury VR as a son of Lt. James Smith

He is a product of the infamous "Mike" GEDCOM upload.

Sarah Smith has a bad LOCKED death date. Currently, her date of marriage is her death date. Newbury VR does not have a date of death for her.

I unlocked birth and death dates and locations of Sarah Smith

I have detached Samuel Smith

Sarah Smith has had her date fixed. Please re-lock.

I am assuming that the Ordways are still a work in progress. Elizabeth Ordway and her children are still attached to James Ordway, of Newbury but belong to James Ordway, of Amesbury
Do I need to assign the children to the correct mother?

I just finished, it was a nerve wracking move.

James Ordway, of Amesbury Has 3 extra children

Joseph Ordway

Jonathan Ordway

Lydia Ordway

James Ordway, of Newbury Is missing a child.

Sarah Morse Showed right up as soon as I duped her.

I think the Newbury family might be ready for relationship locks? Another check is a good idea.

Emily Kent Marget

James Ordway, of Amesbury has bad info in his curator note. He belongs to Elizabeth Heath and not Judith Bailey.

James Ordway, of Newbury has the correct count of children. http://www.rocksvillage.org/families/ordway-family/ has him with 4 daughters and no more. That's all I found in Newbury VR as well.

Regarding the 3 extra children of James Ordway, of Amesbury -
I verified to the original transcript of the Amesbury records. They are not there.
All 3 were added by Smartcopy in 2017.
No children for James & Elizabeth in Haverhill VR either.
Joseph & Jonathan are plausible children given the gap between Moses and Mary.

I used the same curator note for all 4:

James Ordway, son of JOHN Ordway & Mary Godfrey, married Elizabeth Heath. Called James (Jr.) in his marriage intention record.

Not to be confused with James Ordway, son of JAMES Ordway & Tirzah. Called James (3rd) When he married Judith Bailey.

I would have said "This James called James (3rd) when he married Judith Bailey." after "JAMES Ordway & Tirzah. Or James, son of JAMES Ordway & Tirzah called James (3rd) when he married Judith Bailey.

When dealing with like-named people, I try to make sure there is no chance of mixing them up again.

Requesting a merge because research shows that Anna Maria D'Esterre and Anna Maria Frend are the same person.

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000009332682864?to=600000000...

Due to the confusion over her identity, a number of duplicates have cropped up on this line.

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera01byuburk/page/421/mode...

RN Admiral Henry D'Estelle Darby (died sans progeny) was the nephew of Vice-Admiral George Darby, who was the second son of Jonathan Darby (III) (d.1742/3) and Anna Marie Frend both of Leap Castle, in King's County, Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Darby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_D%27Esterre_Darby

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000188247346846

The full line should look like this:

Jonathan Darby, II

1) Jonathan Darby and wife Deborah's eldest son,

2) Jonathan Darby (d. ca.1742) married Anna Marie D'Estelle (aka Anna Maria Frend). Their eldest son (brother of vice-admiral George Darby),

3) Jonathan Darby m. Susanna Lovett Jonathan Darby, Esq.

The latter had eight children. The first two sons (including Admiral Henry D'Esterre Darby) left no male heirs. So the third son, John Darby (m. Anne Vaughn) inherited Leap Castle which passed on to their second son, William Henry Darby.

I've encountered one or more roadblocks with this, so I can't fix it. At one time I had figured out why Anna Maria Frend was aka Anne Marie D'Esterre, but that was some time ago and I'll have to refresh my memory. But I'm confident that they are the same person and that's where the Admiral got his middle name.

Back in March of this year, I'd started a discussion trying to address the problems with this really well documented lineage, but never got a response. Now that some time has passed, I have an even clearer picture of its problems and how to fix them. But need help with this merge, as for some reason I can't even edit one of the duplicates.

Jonathan Darby, IV

Jonathan Darby, IV

The above profiles are the duplicates I am unable to fix.

Admiral Sir Henry D'Esterre Darby

Corrected link (the last one in my last post should have linked to my previous discussion).

https://www.geni.com/discussions/246928?msg=1550394

It should be emphasized that Admiral Henry D'Esterre Darby was unmarried. He spent much of his life as a POW.

Wikipedia has Anna Maria D'Esterre as wife of Jonathan Darby, citing sources (son of Jonathan Darby and wife Deborah). The D'Esterres of county Clare were Huguenot immigrants. (Found nothing with regard to "Frend", so far.)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D&#39;Esterre-7

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1035&am...

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