Jürgen Jürgenssohn Bamberg

Cavalry soldier, Swedish dragoon, in the Swedish army in the Tiesenhausen regiment which is in Estonia. (Rytb. Jöran Jör.s. Bamber ifr hri Tisenhausens regem) See below.

The Tiesenhausen Regiment fought in the Battle of Narva in Estonia on the 19th November 1700 under Charles XII of Sweden and defeated a Russian siege force three to four times its size.

Battle of Narva at [http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Narva_(1700)]

The Tiesenhausen Regiment was known by its name in Swedish "Kavalleri-regemente i Ingermanland, Estland och Lifland, äfven kalladt Unga Drottingens Lifregemente till häst". The Regiment was lead by Colonel Tiesenhausen and was recruited from Estonia and Livonia during the Great Northern War 1700-1721.

In 1703-1709 the Tiesenhausen Regiment or its assigned dragoon sub-units operated in Karelia. In 1709 the Regiment was moved to Talinn, Estonia.

Jöran (Jürgen) Bamberg married Elisabeth Andersdottir Neiglick in Kitee (Kidhes) in Karelia 1704.

Marriage: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/33flmo?fi+0208+vihityt+198

Jöran and Elisabeth got five childred: Anna Lijinskin (born in 1704), Anders (born in 1712), Joakim (born in 1728), Carin and Georgius. More children is possible to find in ´´ buried´´- files of Kitee.

After the Great Northern War since 1722 Jürgen (Jöran) Bamberg served as an "utryttare, a riding civil servant" in Kitee assisting the local "länsman, a sheriff" to run the public administration locally.

M-L Sointula :

It´s possibly to identify him in Swedish Army rolls. He was a dragon in´´ Hoch Wohlgeboren Herrn Baron und Obristen Hans Hindrich von Tiesenshausens Regiment Zu Pherde ´´ KraA ( SVAR). That Regiment called even ´´ Ung drottningens Livregement till häst´´. The original material is written in German. His name was written in form Jürgen Bamberg. Possibly he was born in Livonia.

According a family legend from Russia: He was a Swedish soldier and worked also in a Russian army´´. It is possible to find another Bambergs in the Russian military Records and in area of old Livonia / in old Swedish military material, too. An academic, Russian professional historian has been in contact to several archives in Russia. They can´t recognise Jürgen/ Jöran Bamberg any known name version in their files. But it is possible to identify an other Bamberg in Russian military archives.( 2006 )

According a Finnish family legend Jöran Jöransson Bamberg, as his name is written in Finnish records, was supposed to have roots in family von Brandenburg. Some Dna results of descendants support connection.( 2012 ) More dna contacts found 2014.

His descendants has been moved from Finland to Russia, Sweden, Netherland, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Britain,China, Chile, the Usa....and some even back to Finland or Russia.

I wonder if there´s a connection between Estonian, Finnish and Swedish Bamberg- families in 1600- tale ? Some blood group similarities give a possibility to that.

Suvun juurista on olemassa koko ajan lisääntyvää dna tietoa. Testatut henkilöt kertovat tuloksistaan kutsutuille suvun jäsenille tulevissa sukukokouksissa. Osalla Dna- testatuista jälkeläisistä on löytynyt yhteys sukuun Brandenburg. (heinäkuu 2012)

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M-L Sointula: It ´s possible to indentify at least 8, but possibly 9- 10, children for this couple in church records.

Main problem is the time of the Great Northern War 1700- 1721  ( Russia, Poland, Kurland, Livonia, Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc )  : a big part of  church books destroyed, part was not kept because there were no priest.

Both Russia and  Sweden has thousands of foreign recruited professional  military persons./ Military archives in Sweden and in Russia.

Sources: Suomen sukuhistoriallinen yhdistys, Sshy / kirkonkirjat Kitee, lastenkirjat Kitee. National Archives of Helsinki, Finland.

Sotilasura, military career  : Military archives, Stockholm / Tiesenhausens regem/ registered users only  or possibly to search there , military roll on the beginning of 1700- tale. (The older one is still  missing in Swedish archives. They should  have it but they couldn´t find it in inventarion.)

Sshy military pages, for  members only. ( Family historical Sosiety of Finland = Sshy, co-operating with National Archives, Helsinki, Finland )

Tietoja Tiesenhausenin joukoista : sotahistorian tutkija, sukututkija ja kirjailija ( professional military historian )  Matti. J. Kankaanpää paikan päällä Tukholman arkistossa ja hänen kirjansa : Suuri Pohjansota, Iso Viha ja suomalaiset. ( ISBN 952-91-3934-9 )

Tietokanta/ data : IGI- for members

Original page of the first child: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kitee/syntyneet...

Dna results.

LInk to the Great Northern War 1700-1721 at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War]

Cavalry soldier, Swedish dragoon, in the Swedish army in the Tiesenhausen regiment which is in Estonia. (Rytb. Jöran Jör.s. Bamber ifr hri Tisenhausens regem) See below.

The Tiesenhausen Regiment fought in the Battle of Narva in Estonia on the 19th November 1700 under Charles XII of Sweden and defeated a Russian siege force three to four times its size.

Battle of Narva at [http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Narva_(1700)]

The Tiesenhausen Regiment was known by its name in Swedish "Kavalleri-regemente i Ingermanland, Estland och Lifland, äfven kalladt Unga Drottingens Lifregemente till häst". The Regiment was lead by Colonel Tiesenhausen and was recruited from Estonia and Livonia during the Great Northern War 1700-1721.

In 1703-1709 the Tiesenhausen Regiment or its assigned dragoon sub-units operated in Karelia. In 1709 the Regiment was moved to Talinn, Estonia.

Jöran (Jürgen) Bamberg married Elisabeth Andersdottir Neiglick in Kitee (Kidhes) in Karelia 1704.

Avioliitto Elisabet Neiglickin kanssa: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/33flmo?fi+0208+vihityt+198

Jöran and Elisabeth got five childred: Anna Lijinskin (born in 1704), Anders (born in 1712), Joakim (born in 1728), Carin and Georgius.

After the Great Northern War since 1722 Jürgen (Jöran) Bamberg served as an "utryttare, a riding civil servant" in Kitee assisting the local "länsman, a sheriff" to run the public administration locally.

M-L Sointula :

It´s possibly to identify him in Swedish Army rolls. He was a dragon in´´ Hoch Wohlgeboren Herrn Baron und Obristen Hans Hindrich von Tiesenshausens Regiment Zu Pherde ´´ KraA ( SVAR). That Regiment called even ´´ Ung drottningens Livregement till häst´´. The original material is written in German. His name was written in form Jürgen Bamberg. Possibly he was born in Livonia.

According a family legend from Russia: He was a Swedish soldier and worked also in a Russian army´´. It is possible to find another Bambergs in the Russian military Records and in area of old Livonia / in old Swedish military material, too. An academic, Russian professional historian has been in contact to several archives in Russia. They can´t recognise Jürgen/ Jöran Bamberg any known name version in their files. But it is possible to identify an other Bamberg in Russian military archives.( 2006 )

According a Finnish family legend Jöran Jöransson Bamberg, as his name is written in Finnish records, was supposed to have roots in family von Brandenburg. Some Dna results of descendants support connection.( 2012 ) More dna contacts found 2014.

His descendants has been moved from Finland to Russia, Sweden, Netherland, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Britain,China, Chile, the Usa....and some even back to Finland or Russia.

I wonder if there´s a connection between Estonian, Finnish and Swedish Bamberg- families in 1600- tale ? Some blood group similarities give a possibility to that.

Suvun juurista on olemassa koko ajan lisääntyvää dna tietoa. Testatut henkilöt kertovat tuloksistaan kutsutuille suvun jäsenille tulevissa sukukokouksissa. Osalla Dna- testatuista jälkeläisistä on löytynyt yhteys sukuun Brandenburg. (heinäkuu 2012)

_________________

M-L Sointula: It ´s possible to indentify at least 8, but possibly 9- 10, children for this couple in church records.

Main problem is the time of the Great Northern War 1700- 1721  ( Russia, Poland, Kurland, Livonia, Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc )  : a big part of  church books destroyed, part was not kept because there were no priest.

Both Russia and  Sweden has thousands of foreign recruited professional  military persons./ Military archives in Sweden and in Russia.

Sources: Suomen sukuhistoriallinen yhdistys, Sshy / kirkonkirjat Kitee, lastenkirjat Kitee. National Archives of Helsinki, Finland.

Sotilasura, military career  : Military archives, Stockholm / Tiesenhausens regem/ registered users only  or possibly to search there , military roll on the beginning of 1700- tale. (The older one is still  missing in Swedish archives. They should  have it but they couldn´t find it in inventarion.)

Sshy military pages, for  members only. ( Family historical Sosiety of Finland = Sshy, co-operating with National Archives, Helsinki, Finland )

Tietoja Tiesenhausenin joukoista : sotahistorian tutkija, sukututkija ja kirjailija ( professional military historian )  Matti. J. Kankaanpää paikan päällä Tukholman arkistossa ja hänen kirjansa : Suuri Pohjansota, Iso Viha ja suomalaiset. ( ISBN 952-91-3934-9 )

Tietokanta/ data : IGI- for members

Original page of the first child: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kitee/syntyneet...

Dna results.

LInk to the Great Northern War 1700-1721 at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War]