Oliver Carminowe

• born in Carminowe, Cornwall, England (aged 30 at his father’s death in 1308)
• died 23 Dec 1343 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England
• buried in the church of the Grey Friars, at Bodmin, Cornwall
• father: Sir Roger Carminowe (1240-1308)
• mother: Joan de Dinham (living in 1321)

Family

Married:

1. on 1305 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England to Elizabeth Pomeroy (b. 1288 - d. 16 Jul 1332). Daughter of Henry de Pomeroy & Amice de Camville.
2. in 1333 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England to Isolda Ferrers (b. 1296 - d. 1337). Daughter of Reginald Ferrers & Margaret Dennis.
3. on 1348 to Sibella born 1313 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.

Children of Elizabeth de Pomeroy and Oliver de Carminowe were:

• M i Sir Roger CARMINOWE Knight was born 1306 and died 20 Mar 1339.
• M ii Thomas CARMINOWE Rector of Mawgan 1, 2 was born 1309 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England. He died 1361 in Mawgan, Cornwall, England.
• M iii John CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1313 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.
• M iv Richard CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1316 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.
• F v Elizabeth CARMINOWE was born 1319 and died 1354.
• F vi Matilda CARMINOWE was born 1323 and died 3 Mar 1362.

Children of Isolde de Ferrers and Oliver de Carminowe were:

• F i Johanna CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1334 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.
• F ii Margaret CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1336 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England

Errors

Sir John Petit married Joan daughter of Oliver Caminowe, not Margaret daughter of Thomas Caminowe. That error has come from an unreliable version of the Petit pedigree published in the Visitation of Cornwall 1620.

“Oliver Carminow married before 1314 to Elizabeth Holland. Daughter of Thomas de Holland & Joan Plantagenet, sister of the Duke of Exeter. (this marriage is not noted in the Visitations of Cornwall)”. This is impossible, as Thomas Holland was born 1314, and could not have arranged a daughter’s marriage before he was born.

Primary Sources

Heirs of the Carmynowe manors, lands, and tenements taken from the Inquisition Post Mortem held in 1396 for Joan daughter of Thomas Carmynowe and the Inquisitions Post Mortem held in 1442 for John Arundell .

Oliver Carmynowe and Elizabeth his wife had issue: Roger, Elizabeth, and Maud.
Elizabeth, daughter, afterwards married John Arundell, knight, and Maud married John Trevarthian.
Roger had issue: Thomas Carmynowe, knight
Thomas had issue: Thomas
Thomas had issue: Joan
Joan died without heir of her body.
John Arundell, aged 28 years, and John Trevarthian aged 36 years, were her heirs.

John Arundell was son of John Arundell, knight, son of Elizabeth, daughter of Oliver Carmynowe, knight and John Trevarthian was son of Maud another daughter of the said Oliver Carmynowe, knight.

Partition was afterwards made of the Carmynowe manors, lands, and tenements. The manors of Carminow, Winnianton, and Kennall, the tenement in Philleigh, 100 a. wood in Treloweth and Sticker, 30 a. wood in Merthen, with advowsons of the churches of Philleigh and Whitstone were allocated to John Arundell, knight.

Oliver Carmynowe and Isolda his wife had issue: Margery and Joan

From the Inquisitions Post Mortem held in 1427 for John Cheynduyt.

Oliver Carmynowe, knight, was formerly seised in his demesne as of fee of the manors of Treverras and St Mawes, which he gave to the same Simon Berkley in frank-marriage with Margery his daughter.
Bartholomew was their son and heir
Benedict was his son and heir
Joan was his daughter and heir
John Cheynduyt was her son and heir, who died without heir of his body.

The manors reverted to John Petyt, esquire, as John’s kinsman and heir as son of Michael son of Joan daughter of Oliver. John Petyt was aged 60 years and more.

Notes

From The visitation of Cornwall in 1530:

From An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall: To which ..., Volume 2, Part 1  By Charles Sandoe Gilbert

Oliver Carminowe, a person of great note in the time of Richard I], to whom, he had the honor of being lord-chamberlain. He died, (apparently very aged) in 1345, and was buried (together with Elizabeth, his lady, sister of John Holland, duke of Exeter,) [sic: Elizabeth Pomeroy] in the church of the Grey Friars, at Bodmin, where they were for some time represented in efligy, she with a coronet, and he with his legs across.

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References

• Hal Bradley - “Selected Families and Individuals.” < link > Sir Oliver CARMINOWE Sheriff of Cornwall [Son of Sir Roger CARMINOWE Knight d. 1308 & Joan de DINHAM] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 was born 1274 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England. He died 10 23 Dec 1343 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England. Oliver married 1) Elizabeth de POMEROY on 1305 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England. Other marriages: FERRERS, Isolda de , Sibella.” Cites:
  • 1Lawson, Henry, Genealogical Collections Illustrating the History of Roman Catholic Families of England (London: 1887.), 3:221, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.242 L425 folio.
  • 2Moor, Charles, Knights of Edward I (London: Harleian Society Publications, 1929.), 1:183, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 942.005 H284.
  • 3Maclean, John, The Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor, in the County of Cornwall (London: Nichols & Son, 1873-1879.), 3:158, Family History Library, 942.37 K2ma.
  • 4Burke, John, A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland (London: H. Colburn, 1835-38.), 1:512, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.725 B959-1 1835-1838.
  • 5Vivian, John Lambrick, The Visitations of Cornwall: Comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573 & 1620 (Exeter: Pollard, 1887.), pp. 3, 73, 395, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 942.37 V858. Page 73 < GoogleBooks >
  • 6Hull, P. L., "Thomas Chiverton's Book of Obits," Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 33:5 (Autumn 1975), p. 143, Family History Library, 942.3 B2d
  • 7Hull, P. L., "Thomas Chiverton's Book of Obits," Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 33:4 (Spring 1975), p. 100, Family History Library, 942.3 B2d.
  • 8A2A Catalogue, 3799M-0/ET/2/17, Access 2 Archives, http://www.a2a.org.uk/.
  • 9Report and Transactions of the Devonshire Association..., v. 73 (1941), Family History Library, 942.35 C4d.
  • 10Hull, P. L., "Thomas Chiverton's Book of Obits," Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 33:6 (Spring 1976), p. 191, Family History Library, 942.3 B2d.
• Journal of the Royal Institution of Cornwall, by Royal Institution of Cornwall. (1864). “Early Pedigree of Carminow, of Carminow (corrected)”. Page 149. < Archive.Org >
• Parochial and family history of the parishes of St. Teath and Temple, in the county of Cornwall. by Maclean, John, Sir, 1811-1895. (Publication date 1876). Page 70. “Carminow.” < Archive.Org >
• https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/217663/I28298/oliver-carminow/individual has erroneous first wife
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p540.htm#i...
• http://www.thepeerage.com/p2520.htm#i25192
• Yeatman, John Pym. The early genealogical history of the house of Arundel : being an account of the origin of the families of Montgomery, Albini, Fitzalan, and Howard, from the time of the conquest of Normandy by Rollor the Great. (1882). Book link: < [http//www.familysearch.org/library/books/idviewer/482145/270 FamilySearch] > http://www.familysearch.org/library/books/idurl/1/482145. Page 257: < link >; page 258 < link >
• http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/aa/arundell1.php B. Roger de Carminow (d by 1309) m. Joanna (Dinham?) i. Sir Oliver Carminowe (Chamberlain) m1. Elizabeth Pomeroy
• http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/cc4aq/carminowe1.php#dau1 B. Roger de Carminow (d by 1309) m. Joanna (Dinham?) i. Sir Oliver Carminowe (Chamberlain) m1. Elizabeth Pomeroy
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Carminow-91 cites
  • 1. Hull, P. L., "Thomas Chiverton's Book of Obits," Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 33:6 (Spring 1976), p. 191.
  • 2. Journal of the Royal Institution of Cornwall (James R. Netherton, Truro, England, 1865) Vol. 2, Page 148. “Early Pedigree of Carminow, of Carminow (corrected).” < Archive.Org >
  • 3. http://www.thepeerage.com/p2520.htm#i25194
  • Moor, Charles, Knights of Edward I (London: Harleian Society Publications, 1929.), 1:183.
  • https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/129576805/oliver-de_carmynowe
• Whetter James. Cornwall in the 13th Century : A Study in Social and Economic History. Lyfrow Trelyspen 1998. Page 151. Oliver de Dinham held the lands of Roger de Carminow senior and the wardship of his heir in 1277. Joan, wife of Roger junior, was a Dinham.
• http://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/gb60uYLH/roger-de-carmino... In 1309 Joan, widow of Roger Carminow, made an agreement about her dower with her eldest son Oliver. The document has a seal with the arms of Carminow and Dinham together: "The arms on the shield suggest that Joan was a Dinham by birth, which seems not to be otherwise known.