Sharon Doubell:
I'm trying to find out if we have a profile for the Moddan of the Orkneying Sagas - nephew of Duncan (altho only if you take Duncan, or his father, Crinan to be the Karl Hundasson of the sagas).
Justin Durand :
Yes, I think that's him, or maybe his son of the same name.
I didn't know Moddan was in Shakespeare. My familiarity with him is from the Orkenyinga Saga, where he makes a brief appearance as the grandfather of the evil Frakkok. (Now there's a woman worth watching!)
My data could use a good review. I show Donnchadh, Mórmaer of Atholl, as father of both Crínán "the Thane" and of an unnamed daughter who was the wife of Moddan, and mother of the younger Moddan.
The whole line was a mess a few weeks ago, so I took some key profiles and did some mega clean up. On Geni, you see the difference from my info.
There is this guy:Donnchad, Earl of Atholl In my database, he is the same as this guy: Duncan, Abthane of Dule, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, Mormaer of Atholl
I was going to merge them together, but wanted to take some time to re-track and verify. It's on the list for someday.
BTW, I remember that I examined and rejected Sinill de Douglas as father of Moddan, but I don't see anything about why on a quick search tonight.
Sharon Doubell:
No Moddan isn't in Shakespeare. It's the Orkneying saga I'm using to fill the Macbeth story out - and he's part of what's going on around Macbeth.
I'm wondering if Moddan's primary source is only the Orkneying saga though, because then his identity as 'nephew of Karl Hundasson' depends only on who you designate as Karl.
ie do we have other sources verifying Moddan's historical existence that release us from having first to posit an identity for Karl?
"Donnchadh, Mórmaer of Atholl, as father of both Crínán "the Thane" and of an unnamed daughter who was the wife of Moddan, and mother of the younger Moddan." is actually a real (and useful) possibility.
I've found another possibility that locates him with an unnamed mother on the other side of the family: Here - Moddan might have been Duncan I (Malcolm's son, and Macbeth's rival cousin)'s nephew - which requires positing an unnamed sister for Duncan I (ie unnamed daughter of Crinan), as being the mother of Moddan. This is the story as I understood it (perhaps with my own interpolation, tho) from from the Clan Donnachad page (link and text included on the Macbeth project), but also without any primary sources.
I'm going to go back and see if the relationship you posed above fits equally well over the Clan Donnachad page (and therefore Orkney saga 'nephew of Karl') text. I think it might do actually.
And if so - it suggests a possible useful source that helped create Moddan's profile on Geni.
But to find the source? :-(