Isham Floyd

DAR Ancestor # A039968 Red Flagged: "THIS LINE MAY NOT BE USED FOR MEMBERSHIP IN THE DAR."

From Descendants of John Floyd: Isham, was Burnt at the Stake.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://familyt...

14. ISHAM5 FLOYD (WILLIAM4, JOHN3, CHARLES2, JOHN1)[85],[86]

• was born Abt. 1748 in Albemarle Co., VA [87], and
• died 1790 in the Indiana Territory where he was tortured to death by Indians[88],[89],[90],[91].
• He married LYDIA HARDIN [92] 28 January 1775 in Amherst Co., VA [93],[94].
  • She was born Abt. 1757 in Amherst Co., VA [94], and
  • died Bef. 1821 in Williamson Co., TN [94].

Notes for ISHAM FLOYD:

Isham Floyd is said to have accompanied George Rogers Clark on the expedition from Kaskaskia to Vincennes, the Battle of Vincennes. He would have been very young. He later was killed by Indians. (See Jennings, op. cit.) Anna Cartlidge says he was tortured to death by Indians in the Indiana Territory, and gives his death as 1790. He came to Kentucky in 1779 with his brother John Floyd, who left him land in his will "for assisting me in coming to this country." He was named for his uncle, Isham Davis.

Letitia Preston Floyd, 1843 to Benjamin Rush Floyd: "In 1788 Mrs. Floyd gave birth to a son which her husband named George Rogers Clark, after his friend and fellow soldier. About this time Isham Floyd was killed on the west bank of the Ohio. The Indians scalped him - cut off his ears, fingers and toes, after torturing him for three days, they cut out his heart and threw it to their dogs." (ed.: something awry here. GRCF was born 1781... but Isham was killed about 1790.)

...and as to the trip with Clark, Alex Luken found this book for sale: "BAILEY, Carolyn Sherwin .... TOPS and WHISTLES, True Stories of Early American Toys and Children, Paull, Grace illus., juvenile, VikingPr/JrLitGuild, NY, 1937, 1st Ed, 6x9, Red Clothbnd, 193pg, Real Toys & Real Stories... "True Stories of Early American Toys and Children." Ms. Bailey relates tales of the first doll dishes made in this country by the girl who had to prove she wasn't a witch; about the drum that Isham Floyd took with him when he stowed away in George Rogers Clark's flatboat; and about the kids in old Deerfield who shared a playhouse with the Indian children nearby, despite the Massacre, $16.00"

---

Notes for LYDIA HARDIN:

As is evident in the discussion below, we are not sure at all of the children of this union. Lydia was perhaps married to William after Isham, and the children are from both marriages? But first, who is Lydia?

In Charles Wells' petition for a pension: " State of Missouri, County of Montgomery - May term of Montgomery Circuit Court 1833 - CHARLES WELLS of the county of Montgomery & State of Missouri, do hereby state that I was born in the state of Pennsylvania on Jacobs Creek about twenty five miles from Pittsburgh on the 16th day of March seventeen hundred and seventy three (1773) as I was informed by my parents and as I believe. In my infancy my parents moved to Beargrass in the state of Kentucky where I resided until I was nineteen years of age.

About the spring of 1796 I went to the State of Georgia and resided in what was then called Franklin County but now called Haversham until October 1805 when I removed to Rutherford county in he state of Tennessee where I resided until 1816 when I came to St. Charles County in the state of Missouri shortly after which time I have made the county of Montgomery, Missouri my home.

In the summer of 1789 or 1790 I entered the service of the United States as a part of the Militia of Kentucky. General Harmer was the commander of the detachment. Col. John Harden commanded the militia Regiment of which my company was a part. The company was under the immediate command of Capt. Isham Floyd and myself as Lieutenant. In the latter part of July we took up our march from the town of Louisville, crossed the Ohio river below the falls and encamped the first night on blue waters of the Wabash where General Harmer encamped and sent out Col. Hardin with between 240-260 men with orders to proceed a days march in a northeast course then to turn a west course until we struck the river then come down the river to Harmers encampment and to reconnoiter and examine the route for any hostile indians or their signs...." (CHARLES WELLS - Old War Invalid File Rej. #23.884, Montgomery County, Missouri - Ensign and 1st Lt. in N.W. Indian Wars from 1790-1795)

Is our Lydia a relation to this Col. Hardin? (Credit here to Alex Luken for finding this posted on the web at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/publicat/wfrb/wfrb383.html>, the Wells Family Research Bulletin - Vol. 3 No. , Page 383)

I think she is Colonel Hardin's daughter. (Later, I think his sister, as the Colonel was born in 1753! For more on him see John Hardin in these notes...)

For many months, several have been seeking Isham's family... and then we found the wonderful work of Vickie Beard Thompson, <familyquest@earthlink.net> in July, 2002. I asked after her data for Isham's children which she shows as depicted in these notes. She enthusiastically responded:

"Pat, I have been on vacation and just got back a couple of days ago. I am currently working on proving my Floyd line. I have been given info from quite a few different sources, most without documentation over the years. I believe William, Elisha, David and Alexander were all brothers and possibly sons of Isham Floyd and Lydia Hardin. They are all on the 1812 Franklin Co, TN Tax List. All but David are also on the 1820 census of Franklin Co, TN. David is on the 1820 Smith Co, TN census. David is my direct ancestor.

According to family stories past down our Floyd's were cousins to the Floyd governors of Virginia. I talked to a 2nd great-grand aunt who was 100 at the time still living on her own who was a granddaughter-in-law of Volentine Floyd son of David. She was very sharp and told me a lot of stories that when I checked official records turn out to be correct at least 95% of the time. She gave me names, dates and places.... I visited with her a number of times before she passed away.... she said her father-in-law always said his father and Gov. John Floyd were 1st cousins....

Gov. John Floyd who was born 1783 and died 1837 was a 1st cousin 1 generation removed from Volentine if I have my lines traced correctly.... I still don't have a lot of proof yet but I am working on getting as much as I can. I would appreciate any input you might have.... Sincerely, Vickie Beard Thompson in Utah.

My Family Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~popfraley/index.htm" Ed.: These family tales of the relation to the "two governors" surely tie David Floyd to us, perhaps through Isham.

Then in October, 2002 we have this from Alex Luken, the Louisville researcher:

"To: hsburto@attglobal.net CC: Steveinjest@aol.com, pat@patmstevens.com

"Hello Helen-- I have been corresponding with Steve concerning the husbands of Lydia Hardin Floyd. I help Pat Stevens with the family of William Floyd and Abadiah Davis of Amherst VA, with my primary interest being the family of Robert Clark Floyd. This is the line of Charles Floyd of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Pat descends from another son, John Floyd, who died in Jefferson Co., KY in 1783.

"Isham Floyd was another son of William Floyd and Abadiah Davis; Isham is a name passed down from the Davis side. The information linking Isham Floyd to Lydia Hardin comes from the research of Anna Cartlidge, who on other aspects has been 100% reliable. Unfortunately, Miss Cartlidge passed on several years ago and we cannot discuss this with her. From her research, we get a marriage date of 1/28/1775 in Amherst Co. VA. (editor: this is from her typed and unpublished 1966 manuscript)

"I feel it likely that Lydia may have married a Floyd relative of Isham's. (editor: after Isham's death in 1790 or departure in about 1787?) Single women with children would not move to Tennessee on their own. Equally troubling is the transcription of the will of William Floyd of Franklin Co. TN. It claims the same family (editor: who is this William?):

"http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/franklin/wills/foster02.txt

"Abstract of the will of William Floyd of Franklin Co., Tennessee

• Sons:
  • Alexander Floyd,
  • Elisha Floyd
• Daughters:
  • Rebecca Hayes,
  • Jean Moore,
  • Elizabeth Tubbs

"Bequeath to the heirs of Sarah MacLeroy deceased, her husband still alive." "Children of my son William, deceased."

• Grandsons:
  • William and Elisha Floyd, sons of David Floyd, deceased, and their sister, Nancy Floyd, all underage."
• Slaves-- Negro men: Ned, George, Reuben;
• Negro women: Tanner, Betty, Violet.

"Bequeath one acre for Elk River Baptist Church and one acre for burying ground."

• W. M. Floyd (seal)
• In the presence of
• Benjamin Hollingsworth, Jurat
• George Foster
• John Wilkinson, Jurat
• 4 February 1821

"Is it possible that William and Elisha are the same person? What of a marriage for either William or Elisha to Lydia Hardin? (ed.: Or both?) We have a date of marriage for Isham to Lydia Hardin in Amherst Co., and can backtrack Miss Cartlidge's research and verify the marriage. I feel it likely that she went to TN with a second husband, but who?

"We have found major errors in NJ Floyd's book on the Floyd Family, which (has been) considered a reliable source on the Floyd family. Even Stephen Ambrose has the wrong parentage for Charles Floyd in "Undaunted Courage." This is, as they say, "a fine kettle of fish." Regards, Alex Luken"

Editor: I believe Lydia Hardin Floyd married William Floyd after Isham and died by 1821. William appropriately included his step children (nephews and nieces?) in his will, as well as his own children, by Lydia or another.... I will include Rebecca and Jean as her children, but there is no proof?

Later Alex writes Helen and me that: "There is so much that is not concrete about this line!!!

"So let's take a look at what we have that is 'provable' --

"--Marriage of Isham Floyd to Lydia Hardin in Amherst Co. VA--we have a date from Anna Cartlidge and the marriage record can be located from that.

"--Transcript of the will of William Floyd which states that Elizabeth Tubbs is his "daughter" and all the other names match back to children associated with the family of Isham Floyd/Lydia Hardin.

"What have that has not been proved:

"-- Second marriage for Lydia Hardin Floyd to William M. Floyd or anyone else.

"-- Proof that these are indeed the children of Isham Floyd.

"-- Proof of Elisha as the father of Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs.

"What we know from the above is that Lydia Hardin married Isham Floyd in Amherst Co. William Floyd mentions Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs in his will in Franklin Co. as a child.

"The immediate provable conclusion is that William Floyd is the father of Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs by some unknown mother (ed.: who of course might be Lydia)

"That Lydia Hardin is the mother of these kids is not supported by any proof other than family tradition. So, Lydia Hardin as the mother of this brood could be as wrong as Elisha as their father. I have not seen evidence of either the Lydia or Hardin name being passed down in this family...

"What could be possible however, is that Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs' BROTHER Elisha may have also married a woman by the name of Lydia Hardin. Lydia is a common given name in the Hardin family. In the Robards family, brother William Robards Sr. and William Robards Jr. had second wives named Elizabeth Lewis. And within the Floyd family itself it appears that there are two Jemima Floyds, aged 30 years apart, who both married Lemasters. I am tossing that out there as an unproved possibility.

"With regards to the LDS, there are lots and lots of mistakes in their records.... we have even found people admitted to the DAR under the wrong person. What is the source for Elisha as Elizabeth's father? Alex"

Then on Jan. 24, 2003, I have this kind note:

Catherine Williams Cooper, <catcoop@bellsouth.net> says: "The Elizabeth Jane Floyd listed on your page is the daughter of William Floyd who left a will dated Feb. 4, 1821 in Franklin Co., TN. She is referred to as Elizabeth Tubb (editor: Tubbs?) in the will. William Floyd's other children in the will are: Alexander, Elisha, David (decd), William (decd), Rebecca Floyd Hayes, Jean Floyd Moore, Sarah Floyd Muckleroy. Children of David, decd, were William, Elisha, and Nancy (therefore, they are William's grandchildren).

"Elizabeth Jane Floyd married George Tubb, who died in Perry Co., AL in 1833. Elizabeth died July 31, 1851 in Noxubee Co., MS according to her estate papers. I descend from their son, Elisha Floyd Tubb who married Bethenia Lane Mitchell."

She adds: "I wish I could be of more help regarding William Floyd Sr. I have so little on him. He lived in Pendleton Dist., SC before going to TN. (SC is where Elizabeth Jane Floyd married George Tubb.) These families moved to TN together - or at least around the same time. From deeds and birth places of children, I'd say between 1805 and 1808.

"I checked the few notes that my Mom gave me a few years ago - not much there. She has a sheet, which listed Elizabeth Floyd Tubb as a daughter of Isham Floyd, but we know that isn't true. (Ed.: could be, if Lydia married twice and Wm raised Elizabeth?) Mom kept everything people gave her- even if she knew it wasn't correct - just in case. Anyway, here is what is on the sheet: Isham Floyd, b 1748, Albemarle Co, VA. Sgt., Clarks Ill? Reg. of Artillery. Died 1790 in Mercer Co, KY. Married 1/28/1775 to Lydia Hardin who was b. ca 1750 in VA and died ca 1820 in TN. Children:

• 1. Elizabeth, b. 11/13/1775. Married 1791 to George Tubb Jr.
• 2. William, b. ca 1777
• 3. Elisha Floyd
• 4. Isham
• 5. David
• 6. Alexander

"Notes at bottom: DAR#341432 also vol. 9294, page 279 Floyds Bio Genealogy.

"On another sheet, she has that William Floyd of the Franklin Co., TN will was married to Gevin unknown. However, no source is listed, and I haven't found anything yet mentioning a wife's name. On this same sheet, it states that he provided provisions to the Cont. Army in 1781 because he was too old to fight. However, she also has in her files Rev. War muster rolls papers for Wm. Floyd of SC who enlisted for 3 years in 1782. But from March to May of 1783, he deserted.

"I have an abstract of a deed for William Floyd of Pendleton Dist. for 1805 (this is when the Tubbs and others sold their lands, so looks like they were preparing for TN). No wife relinquished dower, so his wife may have been deceased at this point. However, this deed could also be for Wm. Jr. rather than Sr. I also have a land grant for Wm. Floyd for 150 acres in Craven Co., SC dated 1772.

"Part of the difficulty is that the same names were used repeatedly - particularly the name Elisha!

"If I can be of any help, please let me know. If I learn anything new, I will let you know. Catherine"

Thanks Catherine!

Children of ISHAM FLOYD and LYDIA HARDIN are:

• 1. 28. i. ELIZABETH JANE6 FLOYD,
  • b. 13 November 1775;
  • d. 31 July 1851, Noxubee Co., MS.
• 2. ii. WILLIAM FLOYD [94],
  • b. Abt. 1777, Amherst Co., VA [94];
  • d. Bef. 04 February 1821, Franklin Co., TN [94].
    • Notes for WILLIAM FLOYD: I believe this William Floyd and the other William in these notes shown both dying in 1821 might be crossed up.
• 3. iii. ELISHA FLOYD [94],
  • b. Abt. 1779, Amherst Co., VA [94];
  • d. Aft. 1830, Franklin Co., TN [94].
    • Notes for ELISHA FLOYD: Betty Stokes notes an Elisha Floyd witnessed a document in Franklin County on Oct. 21, 1810.
• 4. iv. ALEXANDER FLOYD[94],
  • b. Bef. 1780 [95].
    • Notes for ALEXANDER FLOYD: Betty Stokes, op. cit., notes that an Alexander Floyd shows up in:
      • 1800 Census in Pendleton Co., SC
      • 1820 Census in Franklin Co., Tenn.
      • A deed of land to William Floyd, Feb. 19, 1825 in Franklin County, Tenn., and his will in Franklin Co., Jun. 13, 1831. By 1825 he was married Mary Ann Jackson, a second wife, in Franklin Co.
• 5. v. ISHAM FLOYD [96],
  • b. Abt. 1781, Amherst Co., VA [96].
    • Notes for ISHAM FLOYD: Alexandra Luken sent me this in April 2007: This is from Google Books: The Bounty Lands of the American Revolution in Ohio, William Thomas Hutchinson, thesis, University of Chicago, 1927, pg. 107
      • "Exec. Department, March 19, 1834
      • The heirs of Isham Floyd were allowed bounty land for his services as a private in the Illinois regiment for the war. The Register will issue a warrant accordingly, if not already drawn. Signed JW Richardson, Secretary of State, Signed Jno Floyd, Governor
      • "In this particular case the certificate was not turned in for a warrant until 1884 -- 50 years later. House of Representatives, Misc. Doc. #10, 47th Congress, 2nd session, pg. 4-5"
      • Alex notes that the reference was given as an example of one way warrants were issued. The warrant redemption may shed some light on the heirs of Isham Floyd, much in the manner the Charles Floyd warrant confirmed him to be a son of Robert Floyd.
• 6. 29. vi. DAVID FLOYD,
  • b. Abt. 1783, Amherst Co., VA;
  • d. Bef. 1821, Smith Co., TN.

    ---

• Reference: MyHeritage Family Trees - SmartCopy: Jul 26 2020, 8:00:29 UTC