John Warren, of Watertown

John Warren, of Watertown

• Birth: baptized 1 August 1585 - Nayland parish, Suffolk, England
• Death: Dec 13 1667 - Watertown, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony
• Parents: John "the middle" Warren & Elizabeth Scarlett
• Wife: Margaret Abbott (c 1587 - 6 Nov 1662) married 5 Nov 1612 in Chappel, Essex, England. She was the daughter of Thomas Abbott & Ann

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Brief Biography

John Warren of Boston, was the first American ancestor of the family. He came with Governor Winthrop in the "Arabella" and arrived in Salem June 12, 1630. From Salem he, with the rest of the company, went to Charlestown whence, after a brief tarry, (they) then went to Boston, where a final settlement was made. The name of John Warren appears in the first list of those who took the freeman's oath on May 18, 1631. John Warren may have been the first recorded Quaker in New England.

They settled in Watertown, where John was made freeman 18 May 1631. John did belong to the church, but was fined for frequent absences from services. Anderson tell us that Bond speculates that John Warren may have been a Baptist.

Family

Updated 8 October 2022: newly published:

Leslie Mahler, Margaret Abbott, Wife of John1 Warren of Watertown, Massachusetts, and sister of George1 Abbott of Rowley, Massachusetts, in The American genealogist : a monthly magazine of genealogy and local history. (Hanover, PA, The American Genealogist, 2021/2022) Vol 92 No 1 p 63-4.

Previously she had been shown as daughter of William Bayley & Ann Bayley

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warren-238

John and Margaret Warren had 4 surviving children of seven total, all baptized at Nayland, Suffolk County, England:

1. Marie, baptised 23 Apr 1615, bur. 17 Dec 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England
2. Elizabeth Warren baptised 25 Jun 1619, bur. 25 NOv 1622, Nayland, Suffolk, England
3. Sarah Warren baptised 20 Apr 1620, bur. 7 Sep 1621, Nayland, Suffolk, England
4. John Warren baptised 12 May 1622, married Michal (Jennison) Bloise on 11 Jul 1667, died about 1703, Watertown, Massachusetts Bay Colony
5. Mary Warren baptised 12 Sep 1624, married John Bigelow on 30 Oct 1642, died 19 Oct 1691, Watertown, Massachusetts Bay Colony
6. Daniel Warren baptised 25 Feb 1626/7, m.arried Mary Barron on 10 Dec 1650, died after 1698
7. Elizabeth Warren baptised 21 Jul 1629, married James Knopp, about 1654

Threlfall also mentions Susan, who would have been baptized on 14 April 1612 in Nayland, Suffolk, England. Although not clear, it would seem that he credits the information to Bond's Genealogies of the families and descendants of the early settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts. Bond, however, never mentioned Susan.[25] Since Threlfall's essay contains a few mistakes and very few citations to support his claims and also no trusted sources could be found so far to demonstrate Susan's existence, she will not be included here as one of John and Margaret's children. The list proposed by Anderson seems to be more consistent with the primary soruces and trusted secondary sources found to date.[11]

The following children have been detached:

• Susan Warren
• Peter Warren

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Will

John died at Watertown December 13, 1667, aged 82. In his will, dated November 30, 1667 and proved December 16, 1667, John Warren Sr. "being aged & weake in body" bequeathed to "my son Daniell Warren the p[ar]cell of land that he now lives on being about the quantity of sixteen acres with all the apurtenances"; to "my son John Warren & my son Daniel Warren my dividend and all my remote meadow with another p[ar]cell of remote land...in Watertown...[to] my two sons equally"; to "my son Daniell Warren my best flock bed with my green rug...and two of my four pewter platters"; to "my daughter-in-law Mary Warren wife to my son Daniell one pewter porringer"; to "my daughter Mary Begalow a p[ar]cell of remote land being the quantity of 16 acres...already in her possession"; to "my duaghter Mary Begalow one small pewter dish"; to "my daughter Elizabeth Knape plow land lying on the further plain in Watertown w[hi]ch her husband James Knape hath formerly been possessed of"; to "my aforesaid daughter Elizebeth a book called the plaine man's pathway to heaven"; to "my grandchild Daniel Warren Son to my son Daniell Warren one of my cows"; to "my grandchild Mary Begalow a lined box that was my wife's"; to "Michael Bloyse daughter to Richard Bloyse deceased one pewter plate"; to "all of my grand children to each of them the sum of 2s. 6d."; residue "to my beloved son John Warren making and ordaining him my whole and sole executor." The inventory of the estate of "John Warren Senior late deceased of Watertown" was taken 13 Dec 1667 and was untotaled, but included £123 in real estate: "one tenement of houses and ten acres of upland and three acres of meadow £60"; "sixteen acres of waste land £8"; "sixty acres of divident land £15"; "thirteen acres of meadow £10"; "farm land one hundred and fifty acres #30." Inventory of the estate was taken December 16, 1667 by John Coolidge, Henry Bright, and Henry Freeman and amounted to £167.4.0. Among the interesting things found in his inventory were "one musket, one sword, one halberd," valued under 15s. and "one silver spoon, two Bibles and other books", valued at £1 10.

Notes

Here is an excellent summary of John Warren, who was an important part of the settlement of New England, including his close links with Gov. Winthrop. It also discusses his aristocratic heritage, descending from the Dukes of Normandy and Earls of Chester. (He is not to be confused with another John Warren who came on the Mayflower): http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/John_Warren_(1585-1667)

From Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of Massachusetts, Volume 4 (Google eBook) William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams.  Page 2165:

XXIX) John Warren, married in England. Margaret, and came to New England in 1630, in the same fleet with Sir Richard Saltonstall. and settled at Watertown, Massachusetts, where he died in December, 1667. He was made freeman, 1631, was a selectman from 1636 to 1640, and also was commissioner for laying out roads in the town. He owned a houselot of twelve acres, and possessed other lands to the extent of one hundred and seventy-six acres. In October, 1651, John Warren was fined twenty shillings for not complying with the law relating to baptism, and in 1661 the houses of "Old Warren" and "Goodman Hammond" were ordered to be searched for Quakers.

Discredited Pedigree

• (X) Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois and Valois, died 1080, leaving a daughter
• (XI) Adela de Vermandois, married Hugh the Great, son of Henry I, of France, and Count of Vermandois and Valois. They had a daughter
• (XII) Elizabeth (Isabel), married William de Warren, second Earl of Surry, and Warrenne and Mortimer in Normandy. He was born about 1040 and died 1130. They had a son
• (XIII) Reganal de Warrenne, married Adela, daughter of Roger de Mowbray. They had a son
• (XIV) William de Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir William de Hayden, and had a son
• (XV) Sir John de Warren, who married Alice, daughter of Roger de Townshend, and had a son
• (XVI) John de Warrenne, married Joan, daughter of Sir Hugh de Post, and had a son
• (XVII) Sir Edward de Warrenne, married Maud, daughter of Richard de Skeyton, and had a son
• (XVIII) Sir Edward de Warren, married Cicely, daughter of Sir Nicholas de Eaton, and had a son
• (XIX) Sir John de Warren, married Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard Wynnington, and had a son
• (XX) Sir Laurence de Warren, married Margery, daughter of Hugh Bulkley Esquire, and had a son
• (XXI) John de Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir John Stanley, and had a son
• (XXII) Sir Lawrence de Warren, married Isabel, daughter of Sir Robert Leigh, in 1458, and had a son
• (XXIII) William de Warren, by wife Anne had a son
•  (XXIV) John de Warren, by wife Elizabeth had a son
• (XXV) John Warren of Headbury, Devonshire, England, who had a son 
• (XXVI) Christopher Warren, who had a son 
• (XXVII) William Warren, married Anne Mable, and had a son 
• (XXVIII) Christopher Warren, married Alice Webb, and had 
• (XXIX) John Warren, married in England. Margaret, and came to New England in 1630, in the same fleet with Sir Richard Saltonstall. and settled at Watertown, Massachusetts.  . Not true

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John Warren is the progenitor of the Warren family of Watertown, Massachusetts. John and his family left aboard the "Arabella", the flagship of the Winthrop Fleet, which departed with it's three escorts from Yarmouth, Isle of Wight on April 8. The Winthrop Fleet was a well planned and financed expedition that formed the nucleus of the Massachusetts Bay Colony

John emigrated to America from Nayland, Suffolk, (or Harwich depending on source) England when he was 45. Motivated by political events, a wealthy group of leaders obtained a Royal Charter in March 1629 for a colony at Massachusetts Bay.

Source: http://bigelowsociety.com/rod/warren1.htm

More About JOHN WARREN:

• Baptism: Aug 01, 1585, Nayland, Suffolk, ENG.
• Immigrated on the Arbella to Salem, Massachusetts in 1630
• Freeman: May 18, 1631
• Settled at Watertown, Massachusetts
• Selectman: Bet. 1636 - 1640
• Will Dated: Nov 30, 16676
• Will Proved: Dec 17, 16676

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John Warren married Margaret [Bayley Fowle] [SIC: old info] in Nayland, Suffok, England. His children with Margaret were:

• 1.) Mary, bap. April 23, 1615, bur. Nayland, England, Dec. 17, 1622
• 2.) Elizabeth, bap. June, 25, 1619, bur. Nayland, England, Nov. 25, 1622
• 3.) Sarah, bap. April 20, 1620, bur. Nayland, England, Sept. 7, 1621
• 4.) John, bap. May 12, 1622, d. Watertown, MA Jan. 27, 1702 Married Michal (Jennison) Blois, July 11, 1667, Watertown, MA, USA
• 5.) Mary, bap. Sept. 12, 1624, d. Watertown, Oct. 19, 1691 Married John Bigelow, Oct. 30, 1642, Watertown, MA, USA
• 6.) Daniel, bap. Feb. 25, 1627-8, d. Watertown, MA Feb. 13, 1715-6. Married Mary Barron, Dec. 10, 1650 in Watertown, MA, USA
• 7.) Elizabeth, bap. July 21, 1629 Married James Knapp, abt. 1650

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John, and his wife Margaret and their children, came to New England with the fleet of Sir Richard Saltonstall. The fleet arrived at Salem June 12,1630. John Warren traveled with Governor Winthrop aboard the flagship "Arabella". Other passengers on the "Arabella" included Lady Arabella Clinton, daughter of Thomas Clinton (3rd Earl Lincoln), her husband Isaac Johnson, Esq., Charles Fiennes (the Earl's son), Thomas Dudley (a kinsman of the Earl of Lincoln), and other prominent men who would lead the settlers in coming years. John is descended from the de Warren family of Chesire, descendants of the Earls Surrey.

From Salem, he with the rest of the company went to Charlestown, whence, after a brief stay they moved to Watertown. John Warren settled in Watertown, Massachusetts at age 45. He was admitted as a freeman on May 18,1631; and was Selectman from 1636 to 1640 which was a position of high regard. In 1635, he and Abraham Browne were appointed to lay out all highways, and to see that they were repaired.

Of interest: A notation regarding a John Warren, patron of the Rectory at Stockport, regarding his " outlawry" in 1615.

This may have to do with Puritan reform under King James which would have been a crime. Is this the same John Warren? The original Warren family roots are in Stockport.

East Cheshire: Past and Present: Or, A History of the Hundred of ..., Volume 1  By John Parsons Earwaker. Page 381

Research needed as parish records seem to exist.

..... However, he does seem to have lost some favor with the authorities sometime thereafter as can be seen from the old records. He sympathized with the Quakers, and was at odds with the Puritan Church. In October 1651, he and Thomas Arnold, were each fined 20 shillings for an offence against the laws concerning baptism. On April 4, 1654, he was fined, for neglect of public worship, 14 Sabbaths, each 5 shillings = 3 pounds, 10 shillings. On March 14, 1658/59, he was to be warned for not attending public worship; but "old Warren is to be found in town". On May 27, 1661, the houses of "old Warren and goodman Hammond", were ordered to be searched for Quakers. He appears to have agreed in religious sentiments with Dr. John Clark, of Newport, Nathaniel Briscoe, Sr., who returned from Watertown to England, Thomas Arnold, who moved from Watertown to Providence, RI. They were probably all Baptists. Despite his lack of conviction for the established church and his leanings toward the Quaker faith, John never gave up or lost his church membership. He may have kept his membership to avoid losing some privileges, such as voting, etc.

..... By the time the first inventory of grants and possessions was taken in.

John was baptized in Nayland on August 1, 1585. In the 1629 Visitation of Nayland, Archdeaconry of Sudbury, Diocese of Norwich, John Warren was the first in a list of seven men from that parish who were presented "for not kneeling at the communion", a common Puritan offense.

By about 1615, he married Margaret Bayley, widow of William Fowle and daughter of William Bayly and Ann (?). Margaret was born about 1587 in Westbury, Gloucestershire. In 1630, John and Margaret were among those who joined the exodus to America. They settled in Watertown, Massachusetts where John was made freeman May 18, 1631.

John didn't care much for church, here, either. Even though he was a member of the Watertown Puritan church, he was frequently cited for failing to attend public worship. John Coolidge and John Whitney testified that John Warren and Thomas Arnold "did absent themselves from the public ordinances, more than 4 times before their presentment". Mr. Jeremiah Norcross and David Fiske deposed in court that John Warren and Thomas Arnold had absented themselves from the public ordinances on the Lord's Days both at Watertown and elsewhere. John pleaded that he had been absent elsewhere on six of the Sabbaths in question, but on April 4, 1654, he was still fined 5s. for each absence: 5 shillings = 3 pounds and 10 shillings. One genealogist speculates that John was a Baptist. He was certainly sympathetic to Quakers. On March 14, 1658/9, John Warren was warned for not attending public worship, "but old Warren is not to be found in town." On May 27, 1661 the houses of "old Warren and Goodman [William] Hammond" were ordered to be searched for Quakers. Despite his lack of conviction for the established church and his leanings toward the Quaker faith, John never gave up or lost his church membership. He may have kept his membership to avoid losing some privileges such as voting, etc.

John was chosen Watertown selectman on [November?] 30, 1635 and December 6, 1639. He and Abraham Browne were appointed to lay out highways and see that they were repaired, November 14, 1635 and on a committee to divide land, January 10, 1647/8.

In the grants of Beaverbrook Plowlands and Remote Meadows John Warren received thirteen acres, but his immediate family at this time comprised six individuals (himself, wife and four children); this implies wealth well above the average, and this is borne out by the size of his homestall and Farm grants. His homestall of twelve acres in 1642 was bounded west by highway, east by William Hammond, north by John Biscoe, and south by Isaac Sterne. In 1654 John Warren Sr. gave Hugh Mason six pounds of peas and wheat and nine pounds of powder for the town so that Mason would make fireworks at the general training in Cambridge. John was granted sixty acres in Great Dividend, July 25, 1636; thirteen acres in Beaverbrook Plowlands, February 28, 1637/8; thirteen acres in Remote Meadows, June 26, 1637; and a 162 acre Farm, May 10, 1642.

In the Inventory of Grants John Warren held ten parcels; homestall of twelve acres; nine acres of upland; three acres of meadow; thirteen acres of plowland in the Further Plain; thirteen acres of meadow in the Remote Meadows; sixteen acres and a half of upland beyond the Further Plain; sixty acres of upland in the Great Dividend; one acre and a half of meadow in Ward's Meadow; one acre and a half of meadow near the Little Plain; and two acres of marsh. In the Composite Inventory he held eight parcels: homestall of twelve acres; nine acres of upland; three acres of meadow; thirteen acres of plowland in the Further Plain; thirteen acres of meadow in the Remote Meadows; sixteen acres and a half of upland beyond the Further Plain; sixty acres of upland in the Great Dividend; and a Farm of one hundred sixty-two acres. On December 30, 1662, the town of Watertown ordered that a ten or twelve acre parcel of land be laid out to Daniel Warren "in satisfaction of some land that John Warren his father bought of the town."

Sources: Colonial Families of the United States, page 570 His will was dated November 30, and proved December 17, 1667.

Watertown in 1639, John had acquired 278 acres of land, including 1) a homestall of 12 acres bounded west with the highway, east by William Hammond, north by John Biscoe, and south by Isaac Stearns; 2) 9 acres of upland bounded south by John Biscoe, north by William Hammond, end east and west with his own land; 3) 3 acres of meadow bounded east by William Hammond, north by John Simson, and west with his own; 4) 13 acres of plowland in the further plain, lot 84; 5) thirteen of meadow in the remote meadows, lot 50; 6) 16 1/2 acres upland beyond the further plain, lot 19; 7) 60 acres of upland being a great Divident in the fourth division, lot 26; 8) a farm of 152 acres upland in the third division. His homestall lot of 12 acres, in 1642, was bounded west by the highway, east by William Hammond, north by John Biscoe, south by Isaac Sterne. He, also, then owned 7 other lots, amounting to about 176 acres. In the second inventory taken in 1644 the 152 acre farm had been dispose of, but John has been granted: 8) 1 1/2 acres of meadow in Wards Meadow bounded by Thomas Arnold; 9) 1 1/2 acres of meadow near the little plain adjoining to John Eddy; 10) 2 acres of marsh southeast with the river and the west by the backlane. By the end of his life, John still owned 188 acres of land.

..... His wife, Margaret, died November 6,1662, and he died December 13,1667, aged 82. John Warren's Will, dated November 30, proved December 17, 1667, mentions the following children, probably all born in England;

John, Mary, Daniel, Elizabeth.[1/619-620] 

The Will gives to son Daniel the 16 acres of land he now lives on; to daughter Mary Bigelow, 16 acres of land in lieu of township, now in her possession; to daughter Elizabeth Knapp, 16 acres of plowland, now in possession of her husband, James Knapp. The residue to sons John and Daniel. In his Will he gave his daughter Elizabeth a book titled "the playnes man path way to heaven". He also mentioned his sons Daniel and John, daughter-in-law Mary Warren, wife of Daniel, daughter Mary Bigelow, Elizabeth Knap, wife of James Knap, grand children Warren, Mary Bigelow, and Michal Bloyce, daughter of Richard Bloyce. The Will was witnessed by Joseph Taynter and John Randall.[7/60] Inventory of the estate was taken Dec.16, 1667 by John Coolidge, and Henry Freeman and amounted to 167.4.0

He took the Freeman's Oath on May 18, 1631 / was Selectman (1636-1640) and on committee of highways.

6. Daniel, bap. Feb. 25, 1627-8, m. Watertown Dec. 10, 1650[6/15] Mary BARRON, d. Watetown, MA Feb. 13, 1715-6[8/57]

7. Elizabeth, bap. July 21, 1629, m. abt. 1650 James KNAPP, b. 1627 (see below) and see: http://bigelow.simplenet.com/elizabeth_knapp.html and: http://bigelow.simplenet.com/rod/min56212.htm

Sources:

• [1] Genealogies and History of Watertown, by Henry Bond
• [2] Worcester County History
• [3] American Ancestry, Volume VII, 1982
• [4] Colonial Families of the United States of America, Volume VI
• [5] New England Families,Volume IV,1914,by William Richard Cutter
• [6] Watertown Records,1894 (Land, Grants, and Possessions),Volume 1
• [7] Middlesex County Probate (First Series Docket 23862),Volume 3
• [8] Adair GEDCOM (ADAIR.GED),23 SEP 1994,by Matthew Adair,InterNet
• [9] The Winthrop Fleet of 1630,by Charles Edward Banks

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Immigration: 1630

Elected: Bet. 1636-1640 Selectman

John Warren immigrated to Watertown, Massachusetts in 1630.

Baptized Nayland 1 August 1585, son of John and Elizabeth (Scarlett) Warren. Migrated from Nayland, Suffolk to Massachusetts Bay in 1630 & settled in Watertown. Died in Watertown, 13 December 1667, aged 82. Married by 1615, Margaret ?. She died Watertown 6 November 1662. Source: Anderson's Winthrop Fleet.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=34924869

Sources

• '"New England, The Great Migration and The Great Migration Begins, 1620-2635" Vol. 3, P-W. Image 621, p. 1932 vSee also:
• Fred G. Barker, Printer, Watertown Records Vol. 1, Land, Grants, and Possessions, Watertown, MA: Watertown Historical Society, 1894, HathiTrust.org.
• The Warren-Scarlett ancestry in England is primarily based on the material presented in The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton 1878-1908: Part I "The Ancestry of Warren Francis Kempton 1817-1879," by Dean Crawford Smith and edited by Melinde Lutz Sanborn (Boston, 1996), pages 462-474. This work contains much additional supporting material, andadditional details on family members.
• Parke, Nathan Grier; Donald Lines Jacobur, ed., The Ancestry of Lorenzo Ackley & His Wife Emma Arabella Bosworth Woodstock, VT: The Elm Tree Press, 1960 (Pages 267-68) HathiTrust.org.
• Smith, Dean Crawford, The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton, 1878-1908, Part 1 Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1996 (Part 1, pp 470--474)
• Warren, Thomas, A history and genealogy of the Warren family in Normandy, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Holland, Tuscany, United States of America, etc. (A. D. 912-1902) with numerous pedigrees London: 1902, FamilySearch
• English Ancestry of New. England Families. (Vol. 1, Page 99)
• Threlfall, Fifty Great Migration Colonists. (Pages 479--481)
• User contributed:
• Ancestral File # NS224023
• S165 Tree 1, Tree2, Tree 3. Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.
• Ancestry.com OXTON Family Tree

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