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Some of the many Kamenev families may descend from Kamen ,thought to be identical with one of the rulers from Komnén dynasty in Syria ,father of Kist father of Cha or Chard , that is Cha-Ard .
They are said to have moved from Syria to Caucas ,and to found village Aerzi there in Ingusheti, among other ones of Kist tribe .
It is well possible some issue of them moved further to the North to find more space for life . The town of Archa among Udmurts in this case might be named after the latter : Ard-Cha , apart from being called Arsk after his ancestor, Arsak,and because of the presence of Ar people , who are the Uralians ,descending from A'ar-Ra'al-Awa son of Ganda .
Formerly in Sarmatia Amazons ,descending either from Ar(és) or from Zeys ,had been living ,
who at Maiótis sea intermixed with Skythians in the antiquity and created a new entity called Sayromata people . Arzamas might have been named after them : Ar-Za-Amas .
There are Amazons also in Berberia ,called Amazigh,who may also descend from Amas-Za-Ha son of Ar-Ar-Geya-'el .Zon -Zamas ,that is Zon-Za-Amas ruled also at that tribe and at Guanches,and was the father-in-law of Guanarame ruling until about 44 of our aera correponding to 1393 of Italians and to 1431 of Spaniards counting years from 1349 and 1387 b.c.
respectively - niow together with most of their errating followers .
Persians though had another aera beginning in 546 b.c.,Norsemen or Saxons counted from 1065 b.c. ,and others had their own one too,until most of them has been banned . Comparing these,one can see that Guanarame is identical with Guaram ,the ancestor of Bagrat dynasty of Georgia ,alias Hormizd or Gonthramn ,and also with Aramen or Ghevan or Armenia in Tzintzuntzan origiating from Inca dynasty of Cuzco / Kom .
The arrival of Kamen,Kist and Chard may be thus connected to that of Guaram Bagrat from the Holy Land of Amazonia to Georgia before 44 ,accompanied by many people from there . So,river Chamzinka might also be named after Cha and after his Amazonian followers,either locally born, or recently arrived : Cha-Amas-Za-Inka .
Erzya people in general might have also got the name of Aerzi ,that is A-Erzi,and it is supicious it was Erzya country rather than a village in the mountains Kamen and his followers had founded ,and some Kamenev families still around may preserv his name as of their ancestor . Localities Tengushevo ( Ta-Ingush ) and Shir-Ingushi in historical Mordovia might also remind us to the
Ingush nationality of some of their founders once .
Erzerum and Erzincan ,that is Erzya-Rum and Erzya-Indian on the other hand might also been named after Erzyas of Europe and of American origin .
Jews and christians say Mizzah,Reu'el .
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