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Please do not create or merge in profiles that date before 1600
- 1. If you've been directed here because of your merges, it's because you have been being VERY helpful in trying to clean up the world tree, but we need to create a different method of dealing with the vast number of deep historical duplicate profiles, & we'd like your help.
- 2. If one or more of your profiles has been isolated or put into this project, it's because it is an unsourced Historical duplicate profile, and those create more chaos in the Historical Tree than you likely realise :-)
LET US EXPLAIN:
1.For Those Of You Who Have Been Finding & Merging in Historical Duplicates:
When the unsourced Historical duplicates get merged in, it takes us hours and hours - sometimes days and days - to clean up the tree conflicts and the data conflicts, as we merge in the rest of the line. Unless you have the tools to isolate and delete, please do not merge in profiles that date before 1600. This high up in the tree the potential for exponentially increasing Tree Conflict errors is far more work to fix than lower down. It also leaves the relatively well established Geni Historical Tree in a permanent state of embarrassing chaos.
INSTEAD
Please rather put any duplicate Historical profiles in this Discussion & the Curators will figure out what to do with them before they get merged into the world tree.
So! That is your new goal! Send us all those duplicates. We need help finding them. All Welcome to join. Use the top right hand corner <Actions> pop-down menu to Request to Collaborate.
2.For Those Of You Who Have Created Historical Duplicates:
Geni can be confusing, because it's not like other genealogical sites. You do not have to enter into Geni all the ancestors you know, because a great many of them will already be there. Once you connect the nearest ancestors you can into the ONE world tree, you are connected to all the early ancestors who are already in the Geni world tree. As a rule of thumb, it's probable that if you have a profile before 1600, it's in the Geni tree already. Since the goal here is to create one world tree, we all work at having one profile per person. That means that all the duplicates have to get dealt with.
DID YOU KNOW:
* Geni uses blue boxes (& blue circles on tree view) to let you know that there may be a duplicate of the profile you've created. It can be difficult to find the early duplicates on Geni, because often the spelling of a profile from before 1600 can have several variant spellings. If you have trouble finding duplicates for early profiles, please contact one of the Historical Curators. The list of curators, by geographic area, is here: https://www.geni.com/projects/Geni-Curators/9960. As a rule of thumb, it's probable that if you have a profile before 1600, it's in the Geni tree already.
*Instead of creating duplicates of the profiles on the Historical part of the tree, just use the top right pop-down menu to Request Management. Or, if you have information that differs from what you are seeing in the tree, you can contact the managers - or the curator, if it is a Master Profile - or start a public discussion from the profile itself. (Please be aware, though, that the quality of your sources will matter to your argument! There is an enormous amount of misinformation on the web, and personal trees that are on the web, without sources to back them up, are not in themselves reliable sources.)
* Remember however, that if you're in the World Tree, & Geni shows a relationship line between you & that profile, it is already part of your tree Once you connect the nearest ancestors you can into the World tree, you are connected to all the early ancestors who are already on the Geni World Tree.
* If the historical area interests you, there is usually a project that you can join to participate in research & help keep the line correct. Medieval Europe provides a list of all the Medieval projects.
Curators working on this project include:
- Harald Tveit Alvestrand -- specializing in the Scandinavian saga eras (pre-1000)
- Sharon Doubell - specializing in Charlemagne & Medieval Scotland
- Erica Howton
- Private User
Template Letter to send to newly duplicating users in the Historical Tree:
Hello there
Please won't you get back to me about the duplicate profiles you're creating in the Historical tree?
I know it's well intentioned, and Geni can be confusing, because it's not like other genealogical sites. You do not have to enter into Geni all the ancestors you know, because a great many of them will already be there. Once you connect the nearest ancestors you can into the ONE world tree (see the project to find out how), you are connected to all the early ancestors who are already in the Geni world tree. As a rule of thumb, it's probable that if you have a profile before 1600, it's in the Geni tree already. Since the goal here is to create one world tree, we all work at having one profile per person. That means that all the duplicates have to get dealt with.
When the Historical duplicates get merged in, it takes us hours and hours -sometimes days and days - to clean up the tree conflicts and the data conflicts, as we merge in the rest of the line. This high up in the tree the potential for exponentially increasing Tree Conflict errors is far more work to fix than lower down. It also leaves the relatively well established Geni HistoricalTree in a permanent state of embarrassing chaos.
Rather come and join us on the project maintaining our shared Historical tree:https://www.geni.com/projects/Historical-Tree-Clean-Up-Please-Park-Unsourced-DUPLICATES-in-the-Historical-Tree-Here%2521/37332 (I've sent you an invite). There's lots of work to be done for passionate historians, and you can manage in all the areas you're interested in as well by simply Requesting Management (Drop down menu from <Actions> button towards top right of each profile.)
Let us know what you think
Template Letter to send to newly merging users in the Historical Tree:
Hello there
Please won't you get back to me about the duplicate profiles you're merging into the Historical tree?
I know it's well intentioned, but when the Historical duplicates get merged in, it takes us hours and hours -sometimes days and days - to clean up the tree conflicts and the data conflicts, as we merge in the rest of the line. This high up in the tree the potential for exponentially increasing Tree Conflict errors is far more work to fix than lower down. It also leaves the relatively well established Geni Historical Tree in a permanent state of embarrassing chaos.
Rather come and join us on the project maintaining our shared Historical tree:https://www.geni.com/projects/Historical-Tree-Clean-Up-Please-Park-Unsourced-DUPLICATES-in-the-Historical-Tree-Here%2521/37332 (I've sent you an invite) and put any Historical duplicate profiles in this Discussion: https://www.geni.com/discussions/158450, & the Curators will figure out what to do with them before they get merged into the world tree.
Let us know what you think
What To Do If You're A Curator Who Wants to Help:
Message to Curators from Mike Stangel: "We need to be clear that it's a waste of your time to merge every single duplicate that people create in these historical lines. Cut it at the lowest match, merge that into the big tree and mark the now-disconnected top as Isolated Tree so we can delete it. (The process for that right now is to send me an inbox message with a link to one of the profiles in the "Isolated" treetop)"
Hello!
Please do not create or merge in profiles that date before 1600
- 1. If you've been directed here because of your merges, it's because you have been being VERY helpful in trying to clean up the world tree, but we need to create a different method of dealing with the vast number of deep historical duplicate profiles, & we'd like your help.
- 2. If one or more of your profiles has been put into this project, it's because it is an unsourced Historical duplicate profile, and those create more chaos in the Historical Tree than you likely realise :-)
LET US EXPLAIN:
1.For Those Of You Who Have Been Finding & Merging in Historical Duplicates:
When the unsourced Historical duplicates get merged in, it takes us hours and hours - sometimes days and days - to clean up the tree conflicts and the data conflicts, as we merge in the rest of the line. Unless you have the tools to isolate and delete, please do not merge in profiles that date before 1600.
This high up in the tree the potential for exponentially increasing Tree Conflict errors is far more work to fix than lower down.
It also leaves the relatively well established Geni Historical Tree in a permanent state of embarrassing chaos.
INSTEAD Please rather put any duplicate Historical profiles in this Discussion & the Curators will figure out what to do with them before they get merged into the world tree.
So! That is your new goal! Send us all those duplicates. We need help finding them.
All Welcome to join. Use the top right hand corner <Actions> pop-down menu to Request to Collaborate.
2.For Those Of You Who Have Created Historical Duplicates:
Geni can be confusing, because it's not like other genealogical sites. You do not have to enter into Geni all the ancestors you know, because a great many of them will already be there. Once you connect the nearest ancestors you can into the ONE world tree, you are connected to all the early ancestors who are already in the Geni world tree. As a rule of thumb, it's probable that if you have a profile before 1600, it's in the Geni tree already.
Since the goal here is to create one world tree, we all work at having one profile per person. That means that all the duplicates have to get dealt with.
DID YOU KNOW:
* Geni uses blue boxes (& blue circles on tree view) to let you know that there may be a duplicate of the profile you've created. It can be difficult to find the early duplicates on Geni, because often the spelling of a profile from before 1600 can have several variant spellings. If you have trouble finding duplicates for early profiles, please contact one of the Historical Curators. The list of curators, by geographic area, is here: https://www.geni.com/projects/Geni-Curators/9960. As a rule of thumb, it's probable that if you have a profile before 1600, it's in the Geni tree already.
*Instead of creating duplicates of the profiles on the Historical part of the tree, just use the top right pop-down menu to Request Management. Or, if you have information that differs from what you are seeing in the tree, you can contact the managers - or the curator, if it is a Master Profile - or start a public discussion from the profile itself. (Please be aware, though, that the quality of your sources will matter to your argument! There is an enormous amount of misinformation on the web, and personal trees that are on the web, without sources to back them up, are not in themselves reliable sources.)
* Remember however, that if you're in the World Tree, & Geni shows a relationship line between you & that profile, it is already part of your tree Once you connect the nearest ancestors you can into the World tree, you are connected to all the early ancestors who are already on the Geni World Tree.
* If the historical area interests you, there is usually a project that you can join to participate in research & help keep the line correct. Medieval Europe provides a list of all the Medieval projects.
Curators working on this project include:
- Harald Tveit Alvestrand -- specializing in the Scandinavian saga eras (pre-1000)
- Sharon Doubell - specializing in Charlemagne & Medieval Scotland
Template Letter to send to newly duplicating users in the Historical Tree:
Hello there
Please won't you get back to me about the duplicate profiles you're creating in the Historical tree?
I know it's well intentioned, and Geni can be confusing, because it's not like other genealogical sites. You do not have to enter into Geni all the ancestors you know, because a great many of them will already be there. Once you connect the nearest ancestors you can into the ONE world tree (see the project to find out how), you are connected to all the early ancestors who are already in the Geni world tree. As a rule of thumb, it's probable that if you have a profile before 1600, it's in the Geni tree already. Since the goal here is to create one world tree, we all work at having one profile per person. That means that all the duplicates have to get dealt with.
When the Historical duplicates get merged in, it takes us hours and hours -sometimes days and days - to clean up the tree conflicts and the data conflicts, as we merge in the rest of the line. This high up in the tree the potential for exponentially increasing Tree Conflict errors is far more work to fix than lower down. It also leaves the relatively well established Geni HistoricalTree in a permanent state of embarrassing chaos.
Rather come and join us on the project maintaining our shared Historicall tree:https://www.geni.com/projects/Historical-Tree-Clean-Up-Please-Park-Unsourced-DUPLICATES-in-the-Historical-Tree-Here%2521/37332 (I've sent you an invite). There's lots of work to be done for passionate historians, and you can manage in all the areas you're interested in as well by simply Requesting Management (Drop down menu from <Actions> button towards top right of each profile.)
Let us know what you think
Template Letter to send to newly merging users in the Historical Tree:
Hello there
Please won't you get back to me about the duplicate profiles you're merging into the Historical tree?
I know it's well intentioned, but when the Historical duplicates get merged in, it takes us hours and hours -sometimes days and days - to clean up the tree conflicts and the data conflicts, as we merge in the rest of the line. This high up in the tree the potential for exponentially increasing Tree Conflict errors is far more work to fix than lower down. It also leaves the relatively well established Geni Historical Tree in a permanent state of embarrassing chaos.
Rather come and join us on the project maintaining our shared Historical tree:https://www.geni.com/projects/Historical-Tree-Clean-Up-Please-Park-Unsourced-DUPLICATES-in-the-Historical-Tree-Here%2521/37332 (I've sent you an invite) and put any Historical duplicate profiles in this Discussion: https://www.geni.com/discussions/158450, & the Curators will figure out what to do with them before they get merged into the world tree.
Let us know what you think
What To Do If You're A Curator Who Wants to Help:
Message to Curators from Mike Stangel: "We need to be clear that it's a waste of your time to merge every single duplicate that people create in these historical lines. Cut it at the lowest match, merge that into the big tree and mark the now-disconnected top as fictional so we can delete it. (The process for that right now is to send me an inbox message with a link to one of the profiles in the "fictional" treetop)"