Haplogroups of People from History on GENI -DNA obtained from triangulation of descendants with documented family trees.

Doubt Somerled was Haplo R- ie from the Caucasus. Somerled would have been a Haplogroup E like me. Did anyone actually test the bones of Somerled ? For historical and scientific accuracy you need to UPDATE this as (pending and assumed either R or E ). Please do not discriminate against true black / Hebrew history with unproven facts. Bottom line Somerled was never tested.

Wilton McDonald, I see that your direct McDonald paternal line has a documented link that links you to the Clan MacDonald Chiefly line. The connection you have made is to James MacDonald, which seems unlikely as the Clan Donald Volume 3 lists James as “died unmarried in Jamacia.” Your tree doesn’t present any sort of documentation that supports your claim.

Further to this Wilton, you have disclosed your tested Y DNA Haplogroup is Haplgroup E, which is that your direct McDonald paternal. The very well researched lines of the Clan Donald Chiefly lines, which includes detailed/verified paper trails and genetically tested linages show the various branches of Clan Donald as all being of the R1A Haplogroup.

The following will further support what I have stated:

University of Srathcylde:
"As far as the descendants of Somerled are concerned, distinct genetic markers of the MacDonalds and the MacDougalls have been identified confirming their shared descent from Somerled.”
https://www.strath.ac.uk/studywithus/centreforlifelonglearning/gene...

"Somerled is proudly claimed as a patrilineal ancestor by several Scottish clans. Recent genetic studies suggest that Somerled has hundreds of thousands of patrilineal descendants, and that his patrilineal origins may lie in Scandinavia. Since the early 2000s, several genetic studies have been conducted on men bearing surnames traditionally associated with patrilineal descendants of Somerled. The results of one such study, published in 2004, revealed that five chiefs of Clan Donald, who all traced their patrilineal descent from Somerled, were indeed descended from a common ancestor. Further testing of men bearing the surnames MacAlister, MacDonald, and MacDougall, found that, of a small sample group, 40 percent of MacAlisters, 30 percent of MacDougalls, and 18 percent of MacDonalds shared this genetic marker. These percentages suggest that Somerled may have almost 500,000 living patrilineal descendants. The results of a later study, published in 2011, revealed that, of a sample of 164 men bearing the surname MacDonald, 23 percent carried the same marker borne by the clan chiefs. This marker was identified as a subgroup of haplogroup M17, known to be extremely rare in Celtic-speaking areas of Scotland, but very common in Norway. Both genetic studies concluded that Somerled’s patrilineal ancestors originated in Scandinavia.”
https://macdougall.org/our-heritage/somerled/

Clan Donald DNA Project:
"Persons on our R1a chart whose Clan Donald Codes are followed by a check mark have a full paper trail back to Somerled which is shown on our After Somerled page.”
You can scroll across the R1A Chart to see Y DNA Signatures for Dugall son of Somerled and Donald Mac Ranald, grandson of Somerled (along with all the various Clan Donald Branches):
https://clandonaldusa.org/index.php/dna-layout/13-dna-project/85-dn...

Peter you are mistaken. I have been on many Clan Donald sites on FTDNA where i think you are a member. Even the administrators of those sites agree that when it comes to Somerled - there is only speculation of who he was DNA wise. There are many Macdonald chieftains with Haplo R and Haplo I but i venture further by saying the chief line is E . Prove it and do not throw test results of a few cousins who tested in the last 100 to 200 years at me. My thesis at the post doc level is that history was hijacked from the end of the French Revolution circa 1800 and we need to examine primary sources. You tell me about James Macdonald my GGF coming to Jamaica and being unmarried - an appeal to common sense- who in God's green earth and name goes to Jamaica and does not marry and dies alone? James' wife Jane Wells was of mixed race and case you dont remember black people were not counted as people. I dont know race wise what James was because the issue of race has been illusive and divisive serving the interests of the powerful few who shaped and defined history. I have spoken to Darryl over at the PEERAGE and they stopped tracking this particular line of Macdonalds who arrived in JAmaica over 400 years ago going back to 1500s Donald Grumuach I for reasons unknown.

Well back to Somerled- they did not find the man as he was beheaded - they did not test his bones and by testing a few imbred cousins 100 years ago who turned out to be - i put it "fake haplo Rs" does not give anyone the license to attribute haplo R status to Somerled.

The same thing can be said of King Tut of Egypt - they have given him haplo R status when all other Egyptian kings are haplo E. How or why is that? The modern day -scientists- aka your people have given King Tut a black king a face looking like modern day Prince William who will inherit the UK throne very soon when Charles III passes . This will not fly with me and there is an underpinning deep seated racism which needs to be stamped out.

Black history is God inspired history, history of the black Hebrews and i care noting for the Jewish label. Fact is black people can connect to their Hebrew lines and that's why folk dont talk about it. This is why modern day Jews spent their lifetimes chasing their maternal lines. Hardly anyone really cares to do Y - male testing for fear of what that will reveal. Go ask Dr Jeanson PhD from Harvard- the timeline to humanity and a black Adam who was haplogroup E like me and not A as the phylogentic tree per Jeanson starts at E- the timeline is 6024 years and even the archeaologists which make stuff up most of the time agree that the earliest human civilizations- tie to ancient Egypt and Sumaria - 6000 years old.

Sharon once again i appreciate your help and perhaps it is not a deliberate act but i have to take a hard line here. There are only 2 boxes to check and i have embraced box number 1 - which is a Hebrew view of the world based on a ton of sources. Sadly even in the Adventist church our co founder Ellen G White was mixed race and i grew up on her writings for over 40 years. Now all these sources are coming to light and even her visions some of which have yet to be made public. This is a new area of research but goes to my point that history has been sanitized but black folk are waking up in great numbers to the false history which we have had to endure for most of our lives.

Box 2 in its entirely including Evolution Theory is Luciferian.

Wilton, to be very clear, I am not mistaken. I have provided clear and concise evidence to support the assertions that I have made, you have not presented any evidence to support your various assertions.

You appear to be pretending to have already proven the multiple claims you have made without having done so. Instead, you have attempted to deflect this fact by implying that I should disprove your claims, with is a fallacy on your part, the burden is proof is on you to support your various assertions.

Suggestion: A specific discussion thread where Wilton can discuss Ben Franklin's essay, race, religion and air his other random genealogical grievances.

Derailing every other discussion this way is rude and if you want to talk about taking a hard line against something? It's this. Stop.

Karrie noted and welcomed. Peter I have provided about 100 sources on my open Facebook page as well as Twitter and Linkedin. I welcome a separate chat. I have more than 10 professionals helping me with sources. There is a growing mountain trail of evidence to support the true black Hebrew position which debunks all the evidence a few imbred cousins claiming to be Macdonalds have presented. The Rs belong to the Caucasus and you all have never tested Somerled's bones so please dont claim anything other than a few close cousins have tested each other- a bridge to nowhere and the black Hebrew position is very clear and i have presented my clear evidence on social media.

Wilton, I have provided clear and concise evidence to support the assertions that I have made, you have not presented any evidence to support your various assertions.

You appear to be pretending to have already proven the multiple claims you have made without having done so. Instead, you have attempted to deflect this fact by implying that I should disprove your claims, which is a fallacy on your part, the burden is proof is on you to support your various assertions.

Perhaps you could summarize your arguement and clearly and concisely lay it out with the supportting evidence that actually support your assertions? You could easily wriite it up and create a Discussion here on Geni.

Sharon Doubell

Árpád Dynasty

King Bela

Béla I, king of Hungary

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-98796-x

Ladislaus I of Hungary: Gedmatch kit: KJ9269628

Ladislaus I of Hungary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_dynasty#:~:text=King%....

Origin: According to recent Y-STR and Y-SNP archaeogenetic studies of the skeletal remains of dynasty descendant and King Béla III of Hungary and unknown Árpád member named as "II/52" / "HU52" from the Royal Basilica of Székesfehérvár, it was established that the male lineage belonged to the Y-haplogroup R1a rare subclade R-Z2125 > R-Z2123 > R-Y2632 > R-Y2633 > R1a-SUR51. The subclade was also found in nearest contemporary matches of 48 Bashkirs from the Burzyansky and Abzelilovsky districts of the Republic of Bashkortostan in the Volga-Ural region, and 1 individual from the region of Vojvodina, Serbia. The Árpád members and one individual from Serbia share additional private SNPs making a novel subclade R1a-SUR51 > R-ARP, and as the mentioned individual has additional private SNPs it branches from the medieval Árpáds forming R-ARP > R-UVD.[5][6]

Forgot to add: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

Peter - there is a new DNA chat set up by Collins. You are the same Peter Macdonald on the Clan Donald site. You dont seem to register all the points I have made over the last 2 years. Despite missing data and records for the last 2500 years- there is a growing mountain of evidence concerning - 1. the wider conspiracy to whitewash black history and i have supporting docs for that starting with the Ben essay but also books in Arabic, and 2. i have new DNA evidence pointing to a cover up of haplo E DNA links to Scotland. When i listen to old men like my dad almost 80 and Orrett Mcdonald who is in his 70s and both men recall their dads and grand dads singing very old black Jacobite songs - with zero records of any slavery - yet these men dont match up on paper being haplo Es - 1 EZ and another EFT , coming from nearby towns in Jamaica and both named Mcdonald - and further both men remember that their dads and grand dads wrote their surnames as Mcdonald but puting a line under the letter "c" to denote a missing letter so the full form of my name is not the truncated Irish ver- McDonald but Scottish Macdonald . I am happy to spell it out- remember i opened graves found matching haplo E Sinclairs and other triangulated Macdonalds and cousins who are Es but the DNA companies like FTDNA / Y full which are JEWISH owned do not allow us to match as Es. They place us in jail cells but their liberties will end soon as more of US test as Es. You have to put the pieces together. My wife's family all Rs and Hs- they are content with their history and place in black history / Hebrew history tied to the Caucasus and coming to Europe in the last 500 to 900 years whilst blacks ruled the planet along a 6024 year timeline to a black Adam. But the other Rs who claim fame in West Europe are hanging on to money and power but the world is 50 times bankrupt having done a second PhD in the field of derivatives- the world is bust so the time of clinging to that false history will be over very soon and you will see more sources coming out of the wood work to debunk the fraudulent Rs in the West.

Karrie Amelie Anderson- have not forgotten about you- yes your fathers and forefathers also came from the Caucasus. You must be proud with Peter of your heritage ! Be proud and accept it.

As to your article- i have a laugh as most of the scientists and archaelogists are more corrupt then any politician around- they can be bought. Note in your article - they found E and J DNA as well so dont throw the fraudulent R results in my face. Be respectful and know i did not pick my 8 degrees out of a cracker jack box.

To understand this in the black Hebrew lense of the world - if they found Rs- those were the dirt poor servants who served the black E kings. Js were servant class but the Rs were the very basic servants to royals and not the royals themselves.

Respect to all. It will all come to a head soon.
Dr McDonald

R1a

R1a

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Wilton, I see that you do not tire of hurling insults and potentially racist comments.

Prior to discussing the assertions you are making, it would be prudent for you to provide evidence to support your claim that you are indeed a direct paternal descendant of the Clan Donald Chiefly line, as it appears that your claims/beliefs are very much tied to this paternal lineage.

The connection you have made is to James MacDonald, which seems unlikely as the Clan Donald Volume 3 lists James as “died unmarried in Jamacia.” Your tree doesn’t present any sort of documentation that supports your claim. And you have failed to provide any evidence to support your claim of descending paternally from the Clan Donald Chiefly line.

Perhaps you forgot to include this evidece this discussion? Perhaps you can provide it now prior to further discussion.

Secondly,

About Somerled being Haplotype R as opposed to Haplotype E. I concur with Wilton. If no direct test was made of his "blood or bone" as Bill Couche would have it, as he told me that exact same thing on the phone in 2015, when I asked "Do I come from George?" ...

He got mixed up, and thought I asked him if he can prove if I come from George HIMSELF, and he said "Blood or bone" .. I said "what?" .. He said "You need George's blood or bone to know if you come from him". . I said NOOoo I said, I'm just trying to see if I'm part of the family! .. .LOL...

So, Yes.. I totally concur with Wilton, unless you tested that man, himself... Somerled himself.. the true evidence has not been collected yet. ~

Jeffery Mark Washington, do you have any actual evidence that supports your assertions? If so, perhaps you could provide them?

No, and even if I did I wouldn't put them up here. : ) Talk to ya'll later. ~

I see. Thank you for your reply Jeffery Mark Washington.

Mark i like your point of view. I have been working hard with others and including Caribbean lawyers, global pastors, NAACP and others to obtain more primary sources to debunk the false mainstream narrative. My grandfather was a Freemason and lots of Freemason records in Jamaica are riddled with issues. The churches have not been helpful and records have been destroyed. I've visited churches in Green Island Hanover, St Paul's , Little London in Westmoreland , Lititz in St Eliz etc and have spoken to surviving elders in the community in Jamaica obtaining clues on what records are avialble on my black line- Hebrew Macdonald and i am building my case files. Apart from the global Freemasons, the East India company, Jewish leaders, Catholic church and governments of US, France and the UK with tacit approval from Russia (no doubt they all share 1 thing in common- their flags are ALL red, white and blue - the Triquetra - pagan and wiccan/ and almost every crest in Europe has 3 symbols and half have hidden links to Moors with Moorish heads displayed a top half of the family European crests. All have been working in harmony to effect change and whitewash the last 4000 years but major work was done since the fall of the black nobility post 1790s in France to change the very face of our global history.

What would be great would be to hold the powers that be at gun point and demand they recant / sign a sworn confession of their role in subverting history.

God has a way of working things out - so we need not worry my friend.

Wait a minute... stop the press. I didn't even know this until now:

LOL.. I'm so stupid sometimes. I could build you a rocketship to Mars.. probably using gravitational fields but I can't put dot A to B sometimes. Ok.. this is Somerled... I'm not sayin' he's Haplotype E.. I'm just sayin'.. I carry this dude's blood.. Apparently. Some part of it. So.. use me.. find out through my blood. Just compare me with Somerled.

Somerled, “King of the Isles” is your 24th great grandfather.
You
→ Floyd Lee Washington, Jr
your father → Floyd Lee Washington, Sr.
his father → Prince Edward Washington, Sr
his father → Pvt. Prince William Washington
his father → Francis Augustine Washington, Sr.
his father → Captain Samuel T Washington
his father → Colonel Charles Washington
his father → Augustine Washington, Sr.
his father → Capt. Lawrence Washington
his father → John Washington
his father → Reverend Lawrence Washington
his father → Margaret Washington
his mother → William Butler, Esq., of Tyes
her father → Margaret Sutton
his mother → John Sutton
her father → Sir Edmund Sutton, of Dudley
his father → Elizabeth de Berkeley, Lady Dudley
his mother → Sir John Berkeley of Beverston, MP
her father → Thomas de Berkeley, 3rd Baron Berkeley
his father → Maurice de Berkeley, 2nd Lord of Berkeley
his father → Joan (the Younger) de Ferrers, Baroness Berkeley
his mother → Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Derby
her mother → Helen, Countess of Winchester
her mother → NN (Helen?)
her mother → Ragnall mac Somhairle, Lord of the Isles
her father → Somerled, “King of the Isles”
his father

We are "all" brothers, guys... let's not forget that. Basically, the internet allowed for "global" collaboration, instead of down at your local city counsel. Much larger audience.. people can actually get stuff "done" now.. that's the upside of technology. ~

My grandfather donated his body to science.. and I'll bet you $100 they didn't use it for genetic testing. So... I can't say for sure his body went to the right study of science... kwim. ....

Mark thanks for your support and let me respond to Peter.

The Haplo R frauds- and serious doubts raised about King Somerled and those who connect to him as fake Haplo Rs. Like i said Haplo Rs belong to the Caucasus and have no genetic roots - color or DNA in Western Europe.
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(redacted name- for privacy)
October 20, 2023 @ 11:51pm
"There is only one "high level" question left for R1a. We've not really started for R1b. For the R1a Norse/Somerled line the remaining question is the resolution of the DNA lines for the Keppoch/Dunnyveg and the Glens/original R1a Antrim chiefs. The paper lines, iffy though they most certainly are, agree that Dunnyveg matches Antrim as the paper claims.
The DNA of the BigYs, even iffier, requires that Keppoch and Dunnyveg/Antrim descend from the same son of John 1st Lord of the Isles. This contradicts the historical paper trails. I consider that the most likely problem is that the Keppoch paper across the sea is wrong ... but that's just a feeling based on statistics of the number of "in common with" autosomal matches. On a different subject, please note that if you are looking at McDonald/McDougall/McAllister for confirmation that Somerled really was the Y-chromosome ancestor of John, 1st Lord of the Isles, you should also consider the case of McEachern, which on historical paper (or oral tradition!) comes from a close Y-ancestor of Somerled. What is seldom discussed is that its actually probable that at least a few tests of medieval DNA will turn up that address this, eventually."
"My greatest problem is that the sons, that are then tied to the founders of the clans, are only listed in the Chronicles of Mann.
There are a few references to names that have been marked as possibly the same people in other documents but there is only one document, written 100 years after the births, where these sons are clearly identified.
All of the documents have different biases. The Chronicles of Holyrood and those of Montrose are clearly anti Somerled, the Chronicles of Mann are clearly very biased towards Somerled and his offspring described in this document.
To change my view would take new evidence.
DNA from a body that has the same injuries as one of the medieval accounts recovered in a believable location would be the absolute best evidence. Unless his body was reunited with his head this might be just the skull. As there is no description of his size or any deformity this would still not prove beyond doubt.
The other would be new documents that confirm the Chronicles of Mann that are clearly from an independent source. I think this might be the more likely to happen."
NOTE KING SOMERLED'S BODY WAS NEVER FOUND - AND NOW WE HAVE MEMBERS RELATED TO SCOTTISH CLAN CHIEFS LIKE ROSEMARY MCDONALD OF PEI CANADA - WHO ARE ALL HAPLOGROUP RS.
Debunking the fake R claims to Europe- there is a growing mountain of sources-
1. Ben Franklin's Essay of 1751 at parag 24- making clear the world pre 1751 was almost entirely black.
2. Russian Icons - for puchase on www.amazon.com
3. Book when Scotland was Jewish by Elizabeth Hirschan and Donald Yates- with direct quotes the people of Scotland "are described as having dark skin , black or dark brown hair....."Seven famous Scotsmen mentioned in the book including reformer John Knox, scholar George Buchanan.....none of these prominent Scotsmen looks typically Scottish in fact they appear rather dark and Semitic yet here they are Scottish aristocrats. The Scottish royal Stewarts were equally dark and Semetic in appearance. Of Charles II's dusky appearance.....
4. Jacobite Gleanings 1745 from State Manuscripts Short Sketches of Jacobites- Transportation by J Macbeth Forbes - Harvard University Press- contains numerous of black skinned Jacobites - with curly hair including several Mcdonalds, Campbells, Mcleans, Mintosh, McPherson, Mcleod, Murrays, Gordons etc.
5. Memoirs of the Secret Services of John Mackay during the reins of King William, Queen Anne and King George I
contains numerous descriptions of black nobles, black royals, black barons, eg Charles Duke of Somerset he was very black complexion.....
6. Library of the University of Michigan Annals of the Caledonians Picts, and Scots by Joseph Ritson 1828- The (Scottish) Highlanders are generally dimunitive with brown compelxions and almost always with black curled hair and dark eyes....
7. David Macritchie's Ancient Britons vol 1 and 2- describe the early Brits as black people.
8. 1500s ancient manuscript on the Description of the Western Islands of Scotland ..."the inhabitants of this Ifle are generally well proportioned, and their complexion is for the most part BLACK "

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Peter let me be clear and polite- your exercise is one of futility---- i throw the gauntlet down to you that you can never ever prove your ancestor's connection to Scotland. Scotland was a black place and Hebrews lived there, black Hebrews.

The admin - basically your boss has his doubts on the fake Rs. See email above.

Somerled's body was never found and no one tested him.

The Chronicles of the Anglo Saxons are not based on real docs- almost all of them are FAKES and this is public fact. They are not based on any original manuscripts . I give you the bible found in the caves of Qumran. This is over 2000 years ago.

You want me a haplo R and legit black Scot Hebrew and Yahya with 5 DNA big Y matches to Yahya and Davidic line you want me to try to match up with a fake R when your forefather was most certainly a haplo R Caucasus mountain / cave resident going back just 500 to 900 years.

I will wager real money that you cannot

1. prove your Macdonald haplo R connection to Somerled with 100 percent certaintly

2. prove your overall connection to Scotland/ Europe.

The gauntlet is tossed to you to respond and the sad thing i know you are smart enough to know what you believe is truly false. History is in dire need of an overhaul and correction.

Footnote- Rosemary Macdonald's family are all haplogroup Is not Rs.

Jeffery Mark Washington If you could do a one to one comparison of autosomal DNA, at this distance between any of us who have a paper trail to Somerled, it would be really unlikely/complete chance of still carrying shared DNA.

It is also a sample of one. When you pull out thousands of descendants, you have a better comparison. (Simplifying here, but like any study, you can't draw conclusions based on your own personal experience.)

If you had an unbroken paternal or maternal line, such as the man and woman with matrilineal descent used when Richard III Richard III, King of England DNA was tested.

You can find them here, if interested:

Michael Ibsen

Wendy Duldig

https://le.ac.uk/richard-iii/identification/genetics/living-relatives